Episode 112:

 

 DJ J $crilla

Discussing His New Bitcoin Infused Hip-hop Album, SoundMoney

Transcript:

 

Sasha:

Hello everyone and welcome to the HODLCast! Happy Easter! We’re with a very special guest, DJ J Scrilla, my husband.

 

J Scrilla:

What’s up!

 

Sasha:

And we’re going to talk about music, Bitcoin, arts, hip hop and your new album, Sound Money.

 

J Scrilla:

April 14th, streaming everywhere. And you can get it right now, rarescrilla.bandcamp.com. 10 bucks!

 

Sasha:

Very good! Good deal! So we’re going to play a few of the tracks, but maybe, first, you could just tell us what the album is about, who you wrote or who you created it for?

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah, so Sound Money. It’s created as a middle ground of Bitcoin and hip hop. I didn’t want to go too Bitcoin or too hip hop on it. It’s a hip hop album but it’s got just three rap songs on it, mostly or beats with glass samples and audio samples and stuff like that for Bitcoin’s talk from the glass, like 10 years. I wanted to keep an edge to it. I don’t want to make it cheesy like Bitcoin songs. It’s not what I do. I want to keep it like a documentary album, kind of. So even if you’re not into Bitcoin but you appreciate hip hop, you should still, hopefully, enjoy it. Even if you’re into Bitcoin, but not in the hip hop, hopefully you’d enjoy it as well. Give it a listen.

 

Sasha:

What are the names of the songs?

 

J Scrilla:

Track one is called 21Million, based off of the amount of Bitcoin circulation over. Satoshi Nakamoto is track two but spelled like all the vowels have Xs in it. So it’s like Sxtxshx Nxkxmxtx. The next one is a joint with Rome Streetz who’s the first rapper appear on the album and that is called Dream of Empire. And it’s kind of like a play on dark markets. Track four, it’s called Internet Money.

 

Sasha:

Right.

 

J Scrilla:

Internet Money and then Dark Market ft. ANKHLEJOHN. And then there’s a song called Choyna.

  

Sasha:

Choyna, explain how that works.

 

J Scrilla:

It’s just like a meme in the Bitcoin community. Choyna was a real big force, especially a few years back. The Trump meme, Choyna. In the EAC, he said Choyna so many times. There’s a YouTube video out there. You could just search Donald Trump saying Choyna. This is like all clips of him saying Choyna.

 

Sasha:

Choyna is spelled C- H-O-Y-N-A. That’s how they always use to spell it in bitcoin. It’s like everyone thought it’s China. If someone from China is like some whale was doing a trade or something that was really going to move the market.

 

J Scrilla:

And then Bullish is the next one and that’s kind of like talking about the price talk and like it’s got like real crazy price action on there. I sampled a bunch of analysts and stuff like that. So maybe you’ll find yourself on there. And track nine is Not In Yer Wallet, which I drop a video for that. I made a on Tuesday did album comes up. And the last one was Peer2Peer ft. Fleetwood DeVille & K-Beta. That one is like what it is peer to peers that about the Bitcoin transactions. Peer to peer, not middleman or central party.

 

Sasha:

I love the very end of that song. It’s one of my favorite parts of the whole album. All right, well let’s say, the Money printer go brr.

 

J Scrilla:

So this is the second single I released like a week ago called “money printer go brr”. It’s like a meme video I made to go with it. You can check it out.

 

Sasha:

So we’ll play this whole video and then like one minute or something of some of the other songs.

 

J Scrilla:

All right! Cool!

 

[Money printer go brr plays]

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. That’s money printer go brr. It’s called faith in my money. Money printer go brr.

 

Sasha:

I remember when you started making that beat like a year ago or so. That faith in my money song is an old song. I loved it and I had it on like, I don’t know, some CD, like random, I never knew the name of it and I’d always, every time I drove through Virginia, I had that song in my head. Anyway, I heard you doing it. I was like, “Oh crap!” I have been wondering what that song was forever.

 

J Scrilla:

Here we are, we put it together.

 

Sasha:

So who is the pink guy?

 

J Scrilla:

That’s the Whoa Jack, the field’s guy. You know, it’s the meme that I guess a lot of people use the show emotion.

 

Sasha:

 

Why is he crying?

 

J Scrilla:

This is tears of rage and chaos. I don’t know. I just liked the meme. Somebody put it out a few weeks. I don’t know. I don’t know when they put it out, five, six weeks ago? Brr.money is like where it started and that’s why I screen grabbed the guy rule and the money out.

 

Sasha:

Jeff’s son is downstairs, he loves his video games. Where were we? Oh yeah. And the guy smelling the money?

 

J Scrilla:

That’s Vince McMahon, the president of the WWE and the XFL.

 

Sasha:

I was seeing the WWE with Trump.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. I think they wrestle each other.

 

Sasha:

He was loving the smell of that money, really a lot.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. That’s a popular meme in the crypto community. I think just the financial community too in general beyond that. But I think that’s where it started, Vince McMahon memes.

 

Sasha:

I liked that one. Feel cute. Might go brr later.

 

J Scrilla:

Sasha helped me with a bunch of memes at the end. The ones at the end put together, he found me. He was like, I read it, fill this, turn out.

 

Sasha:

It was fun. And the one, the Hong Kong where the streets are all crowded and then it memes now showing just like the emptiness of it, you know, within a few weeks.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah.

 

Sasha:

They cemented them inside no more protesting.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah, there was like a couple of money printer go brr songs out there already, but they’re like techno Korean enemy joints. Like I don’t think they’re like, I think they’re actually just regular K pop songs are using Quinn stuff. Honestly I think Korean pop music. I’m a hip hop head and I thought that they would need a hip hop song about money printer go brr and like put a little strategy into it, a little originality into it. So that’s one thing too I guess about this album is not too many. You know, Tatiana Rose couple other people, I’ve done it but not too many people put out Bitcoin songs that are original. They usually parodies are there over other people’s feeds and stuff. I want to stress that this is a fully original album produced by me. All the artwork is done by me. So yeah it’s an independent grind for real

 

Sasha:

And how is the feedback then since you released that video?

 

J Scrilla:

Really good. Both videos have done well, but the money printer go brr has definitely caught a little too soon on like Reddit and Twitter, a lot on YouTube then eating it up a little bit.

 

Sasha:

And so you received a signed book? Oh no, that was from the next video. You got a book in the mail from Marty played the Bureau money printer.

 

J Scrilla:

No, he played not in your wallet. Marty and Matt played it on the a rabbit hole recap this week. It’s an intro for their podcast. I was still actually, they got big ups to them. I caught a lot new listeners I think of that podcast. It’s just them playing. I’ve been reaching out to podcasts in Bitcoin, so some people have been super receptive than some people have.

 

Sasha:

What was the one you were on recently?

 

J Scrilla:

My man flat. Yeah, he’s got a dope podcasts. The Bitcoin take over. I say my man, I just met him on the podcast, but we had a good conversation. The Bitcoin say goes out as soon as and all that stuff. That’s a good listen because he, he’s like not a music critic, but he did, he is a bit of a musician. I think he was in band and plays guitar and stuff. So like he’s like interested in music. I think that’s like, that’s the thing, like some Bitcoins aren’t interested in the music. It’s like the ones I’ve hit up about, they’re going to certain music, Marty and flat and a couple other people. Those guys have been really receptive and glad, like broke down the album and crazy on the podcast and like wrote a dope review and a write up about it. So like, yeah, they go so flat. Definitely. And then the Theo podcasts, late night with Theo recently did and that one we, he played the whole album when we talked to her. It kind of broke it down a little bit.

 

Sasha:

Yeah. It was a cool format with the album playing in the background and then you guys talking about each year.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. Check that out. Be able to, Theo’s like, yeah. And into this space. The big point art world and music world at least as long as I have.

 

Sasha:

And should we play the next?

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. So this next one is Dark Market ft. ANKHLEJOHN and it was the first single I released. And I guess real quick, ANKHLEJOHN is a rapper from around my way, but he’s like, you know, he’s like an underground international like superstar for really like if you’re into Wu Tang or like grave dig or any of that type of music grimy like dark for wraps, all that stuff. He’s got other routes too. But like that’s the shit I like. He kills her and he’s, he’s I’ve been listening to uncle John for a couple of years and just recently I started cashing his Bitcoin wave that he’s been on a little bit. Like you put the big point, a sign, just like the, you know, like the bypass point here type thing. He put the Bitcoin emblem with the Bitcoin lowercase on the back of the CD or on the back of his last pro, one of his last projects. And I was like, what the fuck? That’s crazy soccer. I asked him about it and I reached out to him. We’ve been trying to, well, I’ve been trying to do something to him for about a year. We talked sporadically and when I had this project I was like, all right, let’s do it on this. So big ups to him, you’d probably hear some more from us, you know, ANKHLEJOHN future. I had a good chemistry.

 

Sasha:

And are there any product features in this video

 

J Scrilla:

We can tell you about it? Maybe if you’re watching this here, you can try to count how many product placements that are on that page.

 

[music plays]

 

J Scrilla:

So that was like a snippet. That was a woman’s snippet of the whole video. You can watch a YouTube, so full of song action. Yeah,

 

Sasha:

That’s good. I almost had a cameo in that video. They filmed it, but then I didn’t even know the, you know, the content of the song that much. And then when they, when I heard the whole song, I was like, Oh, I don’t know if my cameo in there is really a great idea, but they’re talking all about the dark market. And then we told Charlie or we tell him Bobby Lee that the ballet wallet was really prominently featured in the video. He was all excited, but then when we send the video, he didn’t respond.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah, I get, I get, I gather that he’s not a fan of video. It’s the same body. You’re going to have good promo with that.

 

Sasha:

Yeah. You’re valuable. It would, well, it’s a bearer instrument. So however it gets used doesn’t really impact the person selling it.

 

J Scrilla:

No. In Bitcoin, that’s what I’m, you know, if you’re a big point company, I mean I know it’s tough with everything going on, but

 

Sasha:

But if it’s not custodial,

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. Bitcoin, was, you know, big question for regulated goods.

 

Sasha:

Me too. Like, okay, for 10 minutes freedom, right? And free markets have to operate in the dark. Well, we’re not dark web people, but like just the idea of a free market is happening there. So I guess it’s one of the points really like original and best use cases.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. And you know, just to clear some things about this song in the album, like there’s songs about Bitcoin, like song one starts kind of just like the Genesis and like the whole album of the album and like how it was started a little bit, you know, it’s loose. I’m not giving you educational. It’s not like a narrated.

 

Sasha:

It is really thought provoking. Those are some of the clips that you use.

 

J Scrilla:

Drop some jewels and then cats that don’t know about. I can look it up. Cats that do know about it, like flat actually said he made a good point. I think it’s, you said it brought, it should bring when you listen to this, it brings bitcoiners who have been in a big point back to the roots and why they got into Bitcoin and gave him that feeling. He said that that was the biggest compliment to me like that. Because that’s really what I think that like manifest is like why Bitcoin was made, what it is for, what, you know, my opinion of it. Anyway, so yeah, it’s the dark market thing is part of Bitcoin. So there’s songs that tell time some of the dark market stuff. And if you listen to song closely, like he’s actually talking about how I said we could do this legally and you know, let’s, I’ll give you money, a Bitcoin for to wrap on this album. He literally wrapped our conversation about doing the whole album.

 

Sasha:

And don’t you hate people that won’t accept bitcoin? I get so mad sometimes when it’s like someone that’s supposed to be in Bitcoin and you try and pay for something like hit me with PayPal, please.

 

J Scrilla:

These guy we’re all about it. So I had no problems with mix engineers, rappers, all stuff. So it was cool. Yeah, so if you listen to that song, like he knew about the Bitcoins, you probably, you know, if you listen to it, I’m just, I didn’t interview him, but dissecting his own lyrics, I think he knew about it from the dark market. And I was like, it was rap. I’ll give you a bitcoin, then you can earn it that way. And that’s really what it’s discussing. That song, Wayne, based on all that stuff in there, you’re not using Coinbase, the dark market.

 

Sasha:

I don’t think he’s in the Bitcoin community as much to know the nuances of Coinbase

 

J Scrilla:

Versus Gemini versus Greenwald.

 

Sasha:

 

Versus like custodial wallet.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. And not, yeah, I don’t think, I dunno, they might, I don’t know who else. I can’t speak for them, but you’re right. Like most people don’t. And I’m even him as a bitcoin periodic.

 

Sasha:

Which can be dangerous if you’re using Bitcoin on the dark web and then putting it in Coinbase. Coinbase would reject it yet.

 

J Scrilla:

But yeah. There’s a bunch of, I don’t know, the whole video didn’t play, so I can’t remember what was in there, but there’s a bunch of Bitcoin paraphernalia in there. Even like some Easter eggs.

 

Sasha:

Well we taught, yeah, we told people didn’t count them.

 

J Scrilla:

Go on the real video, three minutes or two and a half minute video and count it and comment on her Twitter.

 

J Scrilla:

But yeah, we did do some freeze promotion for ballet. So you’re welcome Bobby. And I hope you enjoyed the video, sir. It’s a good product.

 

Sasha:

And honestly, the reason that we use this, because I had some

 

J Scrilla:

Big one pair familiar for the video. Like we shot that video, me and him shot, edited a shout out to the revenue too. He actually did the final edits on that video. But we did all that, you know, and had all that Bitcoin stuff and he was like, yo, this ballet carwash is what I want. And they mainly use in the video because it just, it feels good. It’s heavy. It looks cool. Like, if you’re doing rap stuff, like you know, you always got to floss a little.

 

Sasha:

Yeah. Like that guy with the two watches.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. Yeah. Like Gucci man have the two watches on. In the last video. Yeah. So it’s a great product. Yeah, it’s a great hon. It’s a great product in the sense that it’s cool for like holding like 50 a hundred dollars on like don’t get $10,000 and put on valet car. I don’t think that’s it. But for them it’s like a, I guess a paper wall with a little bit more security. Because the way, I’m not going to even talk about it, I’m not going to get into it, but I know they had make the privacy.

 

Sasha:

Yeah, they do two different things. I even did something new like they’ve since the last time we talked with him in Vegas, so he’s getting so much crap from everyone saying like, Aw, the private key. Bobby might know all the private keys. So think something else too. Make it even more anonymous. Like before he was having it printed in two locations. But now there’s another thing there.

 

J Scrilla:

I don’t know all the technicalities of it. I talked to him a little bit about it, but this isn’t the show to get into that. But I would say that I think that it’s cool what he’s doing and I think that the, the advancement of all that would be dope to have. Like the app that he has with everything.

 

Sasha:

Putting them on the Bitcoin ATM.

 

J Scrilla:

I just, you know, security is the number one thing. And I don’t know how the private key is created, but if you have a ledger to it, you don’t, that’s not open source either. You’re just trusting. So I mean most of this stuff is what level of security and convenience and everything else you want to use. So I guess that’s, sorry. Yeah. Say for Valley, well, I don’t know how there’s more advertising for you, Bobby.

 

Sasha:

Maybe less the third son.

 

J Scrilla:

Yes. This one is, this podcast comes out tomorrow. You’re dropping an exclusive here and shout out to Marty, Ben and Matt Odell. They dropped an exclusive on the rabbit hole run down there. We were set up, I don’t know, they dropped it on the last two weeks. So this will be another exclusive, this is a, a song close to Satoshi Nakamoto and let’s get into it, it’s track two on that.

 

[music plays]

 

J Scrilla:

Okay. All right. That was Satoshi Nakamoto. Knock them on a little snippet of it. But yeah, that’s my fear. That’s personally my favorite beat on it. That’d be awesome. I kind of like the sample when I chopped it up. This is Russian sample and it kind of ended up sound to me like it was saying you blessed soul. And then the other part sounded like saying shit, I can’t remember right now. But yeah. So the that, that one’s kind of like track two just kind of talking about us and it gets more into, in the song too, when you listened to it about who is Satoshi Nakamoto and how does this person, how can somebody in this decade to century create this and not exist like it, you know, it’s just crazy. It’d be off the grid that much and have that much influence on what’s going on financially in the world.

 

Sasha:

And what were some of the tenants, I guess since he was really into privacy?

 

J Scrilla:

I’m not going to front, I wasn’t around in 2008, 09, 10 when Satoshi was running around in the boards. I looked into it a little bit of course, but it sounds to me like, you know, he was an average coder or something is what the most like coders say. Like there is kind of a, not the most elegant, but it’s simple and it’s effective. It’s like bare bones, minimalists and..

 

Sasha:

But I wouldn’t say, how does that make an average sometimes to pair something down to like, what is the, I think Einstein even says like make it as simple as necessary, but not too simple. And to me that’s the genius when like even in writing, if I can get a set a paragraph down into a sentence, I feel like really I accomplished a lot. I guess.

 

J Scrilla:

You know, when I hear people talk that I was sending a period, it’s not Alebeek I like one coat, but yeah. Yeah. Satoshi or labial things. Tosha was a group of people. Okay. You know, honestly, like

 

Sasha:

We met him. Just kidding. We met Dorian, but he had a crazy story with him even getting, you know, mistakes,

 

J Scrilla:

Look up this story. If you’re not, I’m sure most of the people on this podcast she is. But yeah, yeah. Sample Dorian and one of the songs themselves.

 

Sasha:

And so tell us a little bit about the sales side of the album from the youth. Tokenized it. So how, how did that work?

 

J Scrilla:

So I, I haven’t tokenized like the album, like the music, the music not so much.

 

Sasha:

But you could tokenize the music.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. There’s, there’s ways to do it of in certain ways. I’ve done it with the DJ Pepe card that I have. It’s been out since 2016 and it gives you exclusive cutting room, floor music kind of putting on there. Okay. Since 2016. So if you are the DJ Pepe token, then you can go to a private SoundCloud page and hear my music. It’s not the end all of results, but we kind of, you know, like in the space, you just make things and try to experiment with it. And that’s what DJ Pepe has become. So with this new album, what is tokenized is the artwork. And so I made just kind of like a Patriot on token where if you preorder the album dot com email me, I’ll give you instructions when you order it. I’ll send you a token commemorating the dark market, single cover and just as a proof, like a swag token that you, you were hip to this album and into Bitcoin and the music and supporting me early. We put a lot of work in. So yeah, that’s all that is. Yeah. For right now. Now, could those tokens be used for something else? I’m not promising or guaranteeing anything. I have no idea what the future holds for them. But I have made tokens. Do things in the past with the help of like Jill Looney and Dan Anderson and other people. John what’s John’s last name? Yeah, from a rep. Have a party to get home. So yeah, a lot of people. Hmm. Yes sir. I can’t pronounce it. I don’t know the big, you know, you are. So yeah, we’ve done some experimenting with these tokens of Bitcoin using counterparty. So, you know, we’re not using the Ethereum or Tron or anything like that.

 

Sasha:

Now, do you use super rare?

 

J Scrilla:

I’m not saying I don’t use it, they’re saying

 

Sasha:

I sometimes get mad. I was like, why can’t you do this on Bitcoin? That is the only spot you can sell art right now it’s using ethereum.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. And back to that lab flat podcast. Actually if you listen, we talked heavy about that. About how, you know, it’s a bit disappointing. I’ve been in the Bitcoin art space for many years now and Bitcoin was, they’ll go to like with counterparty and stuff like that. And I’m like, yeah, like what is it spells a Genesis or a pep, a big horns, Tatiana point token FM, et cetera, their area, they’re all working on the art side of things. And then, you know, January, 2018 exploded at the conference art festival and a ton the theory of money poured in and people go where the money is and everybody’s are working with them and don’t get it twisted. Ethereum, it’s way easier to do certain things because the smart contracts and you know, break it and you know, all this type of stuff. How do they do? But Bitcoin’s slow moving. It’s like,

 

Sasha:

Great, great. What do you mean? What is the thing?

 

J Scrilla:

Break it and keep going or at a camera.

 

Sasha:

So like move fast and break things, move fast and break things. That’s what they’re like. You can do certain things like no, there’s no and don’t get, there’s no guarantees.

 

J Scrilla:

You know, there’s, there’s things that are, that are on Ethereum I use for sure like super, super dope is that it’s the Ellis UI and all that for any crypto art, the platform out there and they have a curated platform or you know, some good, real good artists on there. Referable and some other ones, they all have cool little features that you can just plug and play as like a newbie, pretty much. Or just a little bit of knowledge like encounter party’s cool too. You could easily make a token and stuff, but the smart contract is counterparty on big horn, like the ER, it doesn’t use a lot of the other stuff that the ER or all the what is it? ERC

 

Sasha:

Whatever it is. 21, seven 21, 1185. There’s a bunch of different things.

 

J Scrilla:

So the Ethereum has a step up on that. But truth be told like if I’m still, if I were to recommend to anybody, if you’re going to hold something that if you’re into these crypto tokens or collectibles, whatever, which on guaranteed longterm, you know what I mean, like use your head with that stuff. But they are guaranteed more longterm in my opinion on big ones. Big point. I feel like we’ll be around as long as any cryptocurrency will be and no, I can’t say that with everyone else. Like, sure. Maybe you got it. Some of the theory and pieces for a couple of hundred bucks on there and stuff like that. Cool. You know, it’s not a huge deal if you lose a lot of books. Well you’re getting like a $10,000 crypto or blockchain like historic piece that you want to hold for a while. Do you think it’s going to be valuable but not on Bitcoin?

 

Sasha:

Go Honeybadger even though you can’t do as much.

 

J Scrilla:

You can’t. All the functionality and stuff like that, you know, there’s people working on it. Giacomo is working on something with, with lightning and liquid and counterparty or something like that now. That’s cool. Yeah, I just found out about that. The counterparty guys are working on some stuff. Liquid, there’s all some side chain stuff so I know it’s a controversial subject within Bitcoin

 

Sasha:

But just people don’t want to spam

 

J Scrilla:

The meme pool, the meme pool. So I get it. But you know, there’s ways I think as a network, well I was in develops this, all this all should be happening on big I, that’s kind of what Bitcoin is. A big one was like, yo, I’m going to sit back and watch all this. Fuck are you go on all these chains and whatever it does work I’m going to make, we’ll make it stick like this. Bitcoin could implement anything as long as it’s going to work and everybody agrees.

 

Sasha:

Do you see a future of tokenize music? Like on a large scale or w what do you see happening with music? Yeah,

 

J Scrilla:

I think, I think so. I think eventually, you know, crypto art started to have its day and I think crypto music, people have been talking about it for many years now in space. Yeah, many years in this space, you know, five years, six years now at least even before that. But like really it’s been happening for the last five years or so. Like trying, the conversation’s been moving. Like I spoke at a threesy, a big music festival about it before. We’ve talked about it on the podcast like this. A lot of people have been talking about, people have jumped in, like they DJ Blauer is a famous EDM DJ. I jumped into the sr real quick and jumped out. Or you saw like Nipsey hussle he saw 50 sign become or whoever owns the Bitcoin? No, no, it was a big one. If 50 had that big one. But you know the headlines that he became a Bitcoin millionaire overnight off of his lowest sign album that you had.

 

Sasha:

So what he sold that album’s procedure all for before?

 

J Scrilla:

No, no, but he was accepting Bitcoin and I guess whatever Bitcoins he took in or the label took in, it became worth the time I came out the year that album came out. But I want to say it was like 2000, like 14 or 15. So if it was 15, like as soon as I was lowest last six, seven, eight years. So no, I’d like to leave Cooley had he accepted Bitcoin for stuff before, if you know Blackstar and tell him and murders who’s a famous rapper.

 

Sasha:

No, mine had it in that.

 

J Scrilla:

Royce has talked about it several times in songs,

 

Sasha:

But it’s not that, Oh, Connie in his talk about owning the stream, but he hasn’t talked about it.

 

J Scrilla:

He’s met. Yeah. Him and Jay have talked about autonomous stuff and decentralization without saying pick one, but can, when Kanye was doing his album in Wyoming, the last album, everybody’s like bullshit. And then there is no doubt in my mind like Kanye has got some big homes.

 

Sasha:

Oh yeah, yeah. But they don’t, no one raps about it that much. Like there was a little bit here and there after the, you know, bull market, but it’s not a, it’s not that like how many times or how many different words they have for money or talking about money in like pretty much every rap song that I’ve ever heard talks about no stacking sacks. It’s all talking about getting money. Like you gotta get your money, you got to keep your money back, kill some free money, you gotta do whatever you gotta do, you gotta get your money. And I love it. Like the gangster gangster. Yeah, Rapha has been when I listened to when I jog, but he’s not killing people.

 

J Scrilla:

I just, I just don’t want to get the stereotype of like, rap is all like guns. It’s really not like, and

 

Sasha:

They talk about sex sometimes and drugs,

 

J Scrilla:

The mainstream is where you’re going to hear the majority of that. Not the majority, but that’s like all they play. They don’t have any, there’s nothing else that they’re going to play except room, you know, get money. Music, I’m a radio forever and it wasn’t always like that. That’s what the re that’s what the label is.

 

Sasha:

But, but there is a very large topic of money and so they should talk about Bitcoin and I think you’re introducing that into this.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. And I don’t think, I don’t like those rappers, like all those rappers that you know and stuff like, you know, find the minute. So I don’t want to hear them make a bunch of big points. It’s not what, what you want to hear. Like

 

Sasha:

What does covert, yeah. Put a little lyric about how you use Bitcoin or how you made money off it.

 

J Scrilla:

Are you going to throw it in there? Like honestly it’s, it’s right at this top time even it’s like a cool jewel to throw in there. I mean people mentioned like cryptocurrency or any type of cryptocurrency ability, like in songs like people are gonna like It’s like some, you know, on a future wave type thing and but brag about it a little bit.

 

Sasha:

Well, especially if I’m, if like how that Wu Tang album was released, I think you could do things like, I know you talk about that.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. Like the way that Wu Tang album was released tokenizing album. It’s very interesting I think.

 

Sasha:

No. How, what was that Wu Tang album and how is it

 

J Scrilla:

So they, they released a one on one and the specifics are weird about it. Like was it a full hangout and always at, well really somebody from within the bootcamp camp kind of put it all together. Like what songs was it? Sons of man songs, looting songs. I don’t really know. ’em I remember Martin Shakelian bought it was playing in some of those songs. Not live stream one time. I don’t even think he was allowed to do that contractually. Honestly cause there’s, there’s strict contract. Whoever bought it. Oh, had to abide by like they couldn’t, I don’t think they could play it publicly. Like in charge of the events and stuff like that. I’m not, I’m not sure all the details but the FBI or whatever owns that album now. Russia crumbly, it’s locked up. So it’s an asset

 

Sasha:

That sucks. I don’t like the idea of a one on one album because it just feels like so much work soul goes into making an album. I want everyone to hear it. Not one person.

 

J Scrilla:

And I agree. But this is the thing about it. So, and I’m dealing with this right now, so I’m in L a you know, you know about the slogan, I’m not going to get into it, but there’s a contract, I have you know, label situation that I’ve done an album for an artist and it’s been hard to get it out because I’m politics and labels and the way artists,

 

Sasha:

Well cause he blew up like he was in a red regular, not a regular guy when you did the album, but he Hispanic is his status.

 

J Scrilla:

Right, right. But that’s not what I’m saying is that just nothing just happened to me. Like if you were looking even at the Reza and DJ premiere live IgG battle last night or 200 or I think close to a million people actually tune them at 200,000 at a time. And these are the two biggest legends in the hip hop production? Pretty much. Well if your industry, I guess, I guess dr drew and some other people in Timberland and stuff like that and Neptunes, somebody else will probably argue with me about, but

 

J Scrilla:

Where was I going with that? Yeah, so they were talking about like, like Rissa played a nod song last night that was on a release and he was explaining some certain songs you just can’t release because the labels want a debtor. The artist doesn’t want to go that way anymore. Yeah. I mean there’s just so much like a label could get bought out or sell you contract or you get shelved. My son a contract with somebody and they get signed to a deal and then the label’s like, I don’t want this album come around and like, are you out? Stuff like that. So there’s like a classic like on the gods shelves, like large professor album. Oh there’s a bunch of, but that come out 10 years later because they can kind of in like a mixtape fashion or something of that.

 

Sasha:

The joke of the Tupac because so many songs came out after he died.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. So so that, for that reason I think that the one on one could be an asset because then at that point you’re not allowed. But yeah, that too, but you’re not allowed to release it. So then you kind of put it into like an art project of some sort. Like that’s probably what happened. The booting, they like those face and Raekwon and method man or something to sign off. They didn’t like, they probably, you know, there’s probably, I don’t know, I’m just speaking on my industry experience of what I know. That’s probably something like that happening then.

 

Sasha:

It’s so funny you say that and I was like much younger. I remember being in Toronto buying a blue wear t-shirt and I was asking the guy, I’m like, so what’s it been like sourcing these shirts? And he’s like, Oh my God, these guys, you can never get them all together to like figure out the terms. So it’s been a real nightmare because like someone’s always in jail or like he made, he was funny about it. He was, he was one of the only places at the time where you could get the shirts. So it was, that’s probably part of how they got like, you know, the fame they did with, cause they were a little bit more rare. Like it was harder to get access to certain things.

 

J Scrilla:

I mean like they were the first clothing, like they launched puffy, NAS, all of them after them doing all that stuff, the clothing, the million dollar video there, I think they’re a first hip hop group in million dollar budget video. Like woo Tang was groundbreaking all the way. So the shout to them. But yeah, that’s, that’s the reason I think a one on one item could be cool because then it’s like an art piece. Like I can’t release it to the public. So maybe I’ll make it a one-on-one solid off. And then you can have a contract and you can work out the rights. Maybe you can make a different than them. You take it out. Okay. I think that’s cool. And,

 

Sasha:

But if you tokenized the way I picture it as like a stock market of music. So you know, the tokens can trade up and down like based on the artist. It’s kind of,

J Scrilla:

Yeah, I mean did dude Bradley that I did the ACC talk about, he’s doing some kind of like fan token thing like that. I think that guy Alex took, no, we were talking about earlier, I think he did it through that.

 

Sasha:

There has to be that you can actually get this rare music with the token like that. I think that’s why people would want to actually trade it more so than that.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah, exactly. Of course. Like Kanye West, if he put out a token like mid five of them, yeah, this is my album, there’s only five then are those tow? If those tokens give you access, then they make developers figured out a way to make it know unhackable and, and audio plug Moto eighth inch Jack being plugged in a computer, you can’t take it because that’s the ultimate way to act on that stuff.

 

Sasha:

Well, no one’s going to be able to trade a token and some music Jack. It’s gotta be,

 

J Scrilla:

But this is the thing. So, and this is even my DJ Pepe token. If you took the time to do it, you could do it. As far as it’s all, you know it’s, it’s experimental marketing and it’s the time you got to take to do it. It’s like I can get a Drake song off YouTube. It would take me like 25 minutes or so cause I’d have to downloaded exported Twitter in my pro tools, bounce the file at the bird’s MP3 and then put it so if I wanted to be go out and DJ and get all these free music that I couldn’t get you sure I could do it. If I had the time to go and fucking pirate all this music that you could do this stuff too right now, like the DJ Pepe, you can pirate it because you could have the token.

 

J Scrilla:

Then you could, you’re like number one you could be like, I’m going to share the address and put it out there. Or number two, you could just be like, I’m going to plug in as eighth and Jack and the song is playing. It’s going to be recorded into my ProTools. Then it’s not the same exact audio quality, but for the most part, for the most part, you could still play in the club with you recorded, right? So that’s the thing that people gotta get passed on that even with the art and tokenization, similar thing. Think you got to deal with the physical and the real. But this is where I see the tokenization thing working is number one. Right? Cool. The access thing get a little bit more developed, but you can use it now. Like it’s just, it’s going to take, like if you want to do that and get me access to the music, like I said, you could do it, but it’s gonna take you 30 minutes to get, you know, each song. Is it worth it to you to do that as kind of like the,

 

Sasha:

Yeah, it’s your 30 minutes of time should be worth $10.

 

J Scrilla:

So then the actual stuff, like we’re putting skins and stuff and video games and I liked that. And we’ve done that a little bit. Experimentation with the DJ peppy token. Trisha Moss did some stuff where he made like exclusive skins and his iOS app that he had out. And so if you had the digital peppy token, then it would give you the, the skin. You couldn’t create it any other way, you know,

 

Sasha:

So Gator

 

J Scrilla:

You couldn’t create any way. It’s like, that’s really basic and obviously simple and rudimentary, but eventually that should all evolve and what they’re doing on a theory I’m with like, I know like coin artists to some other people they’re working on like a lot of stuff to do with that. So it was Fortnite and Epic games and all these rockstar games and T EA sports going to use this. Probably not because it would hurt their business plan, but if a group of and everything is indie shit is going crazy everywhere. Not just music and everything, but like in developing games and stuff, there’s a community of, you know, small tier developers like a form up and be like, all right, we’re going to use this token, this protocol. Maybe we’re using 1155 on Ethereum. Maybe were using counterpart, you never used it, whatever. Oh, we’re all gonna use it so that we can inter-operate, interpolate in our games and the users like myself, I could create a skin,

 

Sasha:

Define that word, interoperability, interoperability.

 

J Scrilla:

I mean I’m not registered, but I think just you can,

 

Sasha:

Since you can use the token in multiple places.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. So if you develop something over here and I developed something over there, it’s different. We want to protect our intellectual rights and rights, but we can agree on certain things that are going to help our industry. And that’s mid, lower middle tier game developers right now. Yeah. You form up and then eventually you all grow it up and then that’s when it’s like, all right, blockchain became mainstream because some kind of a effect happens where, which is, you know, it snowballs. And then at that point, and this is how the Pepe community stuff started that I was into earlier because you can make the art and then so and like you couldn’t do that, you couldn’t do that. Before that in blockchain, like American going to a meet up and people are like, hold on, you’re making money off blockchain. And you’re using blockchain and they were like, you’re not just investing or in speculate. They like, I wasn’t, some guy interviewed me back then and, and it was just dumbfounded. I say, yeah, they’re selling these trading cards. They’re just blockchain trading cards

 

Sasha:

For people in other countries.

 

J Scrilla:

Yeah. Especially like the cast from Venezuela and stuff. Like these kids have no money and they were selling cards for like, you know, $30 or $50 sometimes when the market was hiring. Yeah. I mean, that’s okay. Paid for a lot. Or were they like, they couldn’t get, their money was becoming worthless. So that’s how big point I helped them. And that’s how

 

Sasha:

Hopefully Bitcoin will help all of us if our money goes worthless. Yes. Yeah. At least all of us holding it.

 

J Scrilla:

Well, I guess people can stack SAS, but not everybody’s gonna go get a big one.

 

Sasha:

It’s 21 million. Anything else we should touch on?

 

J Scrilla:

No, I guess just a buy the album at least stream. Now tell your friends about the album. If you’re into Bitcoin, like I’m not a big point of evangelism and go around preaching Bitcoin, but I’m into it and I wear my, my Bitcoin bet. Honeybadger shirt. Now you can buy this goodbye. Is that rare? Skrilla.Com and my man, maybe the Hoddle company name, he’s got those for sale. Yeah, I got some merchandise and music and just go to [inaudible] girl.com [inaudible] dot com and on top of that, my group guns and butter me and chops. How a ton of music coming out this year on just regular hip hop, no Bitcoin. So you just want to listen to some dope. You can check that out. Yeah.

 

Sasha:

All right. Thank you. Happy Easter.

 

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How to deal with a breach of contract when the breaching party lives in another country? I’ve seen this a number of times when an American company contracts with a foreign company for services in the cryptocurrency industry -- and then the foreign company fails to...

THE LONG ARM OF NEW YORK

THE LONG ARM OF NEW YORK

WILL BITFINEX AND TETHER PROVE THEY DID NOT DO BUSINESS IN NEW YORK? Today Bitfinex and Tether, replied to the OAG with two documents, an affidavit by their attorney, Stuart Hoegner, and a Reply Memo supporting their Motion to Dismiss. Bitfinex and Tether are...

SUMMARY of the May 9 FinCEN Guidance

SUMMARY of the May 9 FinCEN Guidance

“This guidance does not establish any new regulatory expectations or requirements.” https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/FinCEN%20Guidance%20CVC%20FINAL%20508.pdf TL;DR An MSB needs to register with FinCEN, (it’s free, you file Form 107), get an...

The Saga Continues… USAG v. Bitfinex/Tether

The Saga Continues… USAG v. Bitfinex/Tether

Sasha Hodler · HodlCast Ep. 81 A deep dive into Bitfinex with Amy Castor The saga continues — NYAG v. Bitfinex/Tether Quick Summary of the recent NYAG Decision and Order: IN THE MATTER OF THE INQUIRY BY LETITIA JAMES, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, v....

SUMMARY of the May 9 FinCEN Guidance:

FinCEN's recent guidance begins with the caveat, “This guidance does not establish any new regulatory expectations or requirements.” https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/FinCEN%20Guidance%20CVC%20FINAL%20508.pdf TL;DR An MSB needs to register with...

The FinCEN Travel Rule

The FinCEN Travel Rule

I came across a new (to me) aspect of the Bank Secrecy Act recently — rule [31 CFR 103.33(g)] (the “Travel Rule”) which requires all financial institutions to pass on certain information to the next financial institution, in certain funds transmittals involving more...

Now You Can Blog from Everywhere!

We’ve made it quick and convenient for you to manage your blog from anywhere. In this blog post we’ll share the ways you can post to your Wix Blog. Blogging from Your Wix Blog Dashboard On the dashboard, you have everything you need to manage your blog in one place....

Design a Stunning Blog

When it comes to design, the Wix blog has everything you need to create beautiful posts that will grab your reader's attention. Check out our essential design features. Choose from 8 stunning layouts Your Wix Blog comes with 8 beautiful layouts. From your blog's...

Grow Your Blog Community

With Wix Blog, you’re not only sharing your voice with the world, you can also grow an active online community. That’s why the Wix blog comes with a built-in members area - so that readers can easily sign easily up to become members of your blog. What can members do?...

Bitcoin Hedge Fund Rules

Bitcoin Hedge Fund Rules

In today’s article, we will explore whether a Bitcoin hedge fund requires Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) or Commodities and Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) registration. What is a Bitcoin Hedge Fund? A Hedge Fund (or Private Fund) is when you put two LLCs...

Florida Money Transmission after the Espinoza Opinion

Florida Money Transmission after the Espinoza Opinion

On January 30, 2019, the State of Florida appealed forcing Mr. Espinoza to relive the trial for his 2013 and 2014 localbitcoins.com sales to undercover cops. See http://www.3dca.flcourts.org/Opinions/3D16-1860.pdf. The counts against Mr. Espinoza include: Count...

Bitcoin & the FBAR

Bitcoin & the FBAR

I had the opportunity to participate on a Legal Panel with David Silver at the Unconfiscatable, Bitcoin not Blockchain Conference put on by Tone Vays in Las Vegas. It was quite an honor to be part of it; the conference was hands down the best Bitcoin event I’ve...

The Bitmain Lawsuit

The Bitmain Lawsuit

Gor Gevorkyan v. Bitmain, Inc., Bitmain Technologies, Ltd. And DOES 1 to 10 A lawsuit was filed in the Northern District of California against Bitmain on 11/19/2018. See https://www.scribd.com/document/393971649/Bitmain-Class-Action In a brief summary, the Plaintiff...

SEC’s November 16 Comments

Ready or Not, Here They Come, You Can’t Hide, Gonna Find You and Make You Register & Refund First and foremost, today’s expansive press release was made with the following disclaimer: “This statement . . . is not a rule, regulation, or statement of the Securities...

Operation Choke Point

I was skimming the facebook page of a soon-to-be-podcast guest, Kingsley Edwards, and came across a disturbing article describing Operation Choke Point.[1] The name of the Operation struck me as odd and after a few lines of reading, I knew it was the problem facing...

Know Yo Customer

Know Yo Customer

This is not legal advice, just my opinion. I’ve met many brilliant entrepreneurs bravely navigating the alphabet soup of the American crypto regulatory environment. Today’s post is focused on the importance of knowing your customers (“KYC”) if you are a Money Service...

OCC Banking Charter for FinTECH

OCC Banking Charter for FinTECH

Is this The End of State-by-State Money Transmission Licensing? The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, U.S. Department of Treasury (“OCC”) came out with some big news on Tuesday, July 31, 2018. Now crypto (fintech) companies can apply for special-purposes...

Mr. Terpin v. AT&T

Mr. Terpin v. AT&T

Terpin v. AT&T Inc., AT&T Mobility, LLC, and DOES 1–25 One of the biggest news stories of the week was Michael Terpin (“Mr. Terpin”) suing AT&T after getting his sim-card hijacked. These types of hacks through the phone company are not a new phenomenon,...

Removing a member from an LLC

Removing a member from an LLC

Unfortunately, business relationships don’t always work out as expected, and you may need to remove your partners from their equity ownership / member position in your LLC. Hopefully this process is clearly defined in your Operating Agreement. If not, it can quickly...

Giving Tokens the Hammer

Giving Tokens the Hammer

The 2009 invention of Bitcoin has forever changed financial technology. Through the rise of economic innovation, Cryptocurrency makes it possible for any person or company to create a coin or token linked to their brand—and to give it a plethora of functionality. Some...

CFTC Employees are now allowed to Trade Crypto

CFTC Employees are now allowed to Trade Crypto

Upon first seeing this headline, my thoughts were, “uh oh, things are going to get a lot less productive over at the CFTC!” I remember my first few months of trading, it can be highly addictive!  The important thing here is that we got another layer of clarity to...

Bitcoin & Estate Planning

Bitcoin & Estate Planning

Bitcoin & Estate Planning Agenda: 1. Get a will 2. Make a tax plan 3. Dig some holes in your backyard (or find an executor you trust) Disclaimer – This is not legal or investment advice. T'is the season to be... morbid. Have you thought about what would happen to...

Bitcoin & Taxes

Bitcoin & Taxes

After the recent ruling in the case with Coinbase, Bitcoin Tax has been a hot topic, and I wanted to try my hand at navigating it. This is not legal or tax advice.Only 800-900 Americans reported any bitcoin tax related events between 2013-2015, even-though there were...

What is Bitcoin

What is Bitcoin

What is Bitcoin? Over the past few weeks, as the Bitcoin price has soared, lots of people have been reaching out to ask me, "What is Bitcoin?" It prompted me to start this blog- and while I am a licensed attorney in Florida - I want to preface that this is not legal...

Celebrity Backed ICOs

Celebrity Backed ICOs

Anyone who endorses ICOs or any kind of Cryptocurrency should be careful not to overstep the Securities Laws and potentially be prosecuted for a Pump and Dump scheme. After the recent Senate Hearing on Feb 9, 2018, Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”) Chairman...

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