Episode 111:

 

Trevor Marshall

Staying Tough Through Quarantine

Transcript:

 

Sasha:

All right! Hello everyone! Welcome to the HODLCast. Today is April 5th and we have a very special guest, Trevor Marshall. Trevor was my paddling coach at Nick Mack in the late 90s and early 2000s. Trevor is one of my biggest mentors. You taught me and everyone in our group so much about how to think about life and how to approach any problems. So I’m so glad to have you on. I wanted to talk to you today about how to stay mentally tough during this quarantine period. I know for myself and a lot of people I’m talking to, it’s just a dead hard to stay motivated with so much uncertainty in the air. So I thought with your go getterness, we’ll have a good voice here. Thanks Trevor! So I guess first maybe introduce yourself and your background and whatnot.

Trevor:

Well, first of all, thank you for inviting me to this first ever iPad or iPod? Is it Podcast?

Sasha:

A podcast.

Trevor:

Oh! A podcast, yes! There we go. Hey, I’m so out of it. This technology, it kills me. But we’ll talk about that later on. So my name is Trevor Marshall, currently 48 years old. I don’t coach high performance anymore. I do miss it. I worked for the city as an HR firefighter. I have two boys that are 16 and 18. Currently been with a partner for 10 years now. She’s hang out with me for a little bit or is trying to hang out with the craziness and myself. I live in Porters Lake, which is in Nova Scotia, Canada. I’m excited when you gave me a call yesterday to do a thing on the podcast. So excited! Let’s keep it going!

Sasha:

Thanks Trevor! Well, the first question I wanted to start off with, how many national war canoe races have you won? And we might need to explain what war canoe is, because my podcast is mostly American focused on Bitcoin.

Trevor:

Sure! Well, war canoe. The sport itself is called sprint canoe kayak. And the war canoe itself has 14 individuals. Seven on the left, seven on the right, and then you have what is called cocks. And in the back, it is usually your coach. And they go over certain distances, but in your category is in the women, it’s over 500 meters and usually takes anywhere in around two minutes or less. So people can relate it to more of a track. So if you’re doing a 200 meter sprint or a hundred meter sprint, that’s pretty much what we do, but on flat water. So you asked how many national championships I won. And honestly, I have no clue. I think in sport, when I got into sport, I always wanted to compete to win. And I think we’ll talk a little bit about the word “win” later on.  I know that I was regarded in the 90s, literally from the 90s and even up until the early 2000s as the most winningest war canoe coach in the country. I had a lot of women’s war canoe won as 1 and as well in the men’s side, but definitely more of the female side because I spent more of my time in that area. So I don’t know, but a lot. And but moving forward into this, I think that what I do remember is athletes like yourself, resilient athletes, and the journey that we all had to get to the podium. And so I remember more things of the Florida training camps. I remember more running in the rain, sleet, rain, cross country, skiing, swimming in the mornings of weight training. You know I even went as crazy as get NASA fleets to mentally believe they could achieve the impossible. And so I would line up, and I believe you were prior to this, where I get my 15 passenger van and say, okay, you’re going to push this ban up the Hill. And the Hill, as you can remember, it was crazy steep. And in the beginning everybody’s like, “That’s impossible.” Whatever else. Well, with one person it is. But when we were doing stuff as a crew, you quickly knew that if you had 20 involved and because of working here, yes, it was 14, but you could do the worst five or six extras trying to make the boat that working as a team then they could accomplish moving that van up the Hill. Anyways, it was crazy stuff like that. So I’m always about the journey, not necessarily about the accolades of a metal.

Sasha:

Yeah, for sure. There were a lot of journeys. I don’t remember. Sometimes we’d do just the training like every time I think back of it, it just seems like insane to think what we did there.

Trevor:

I’m sure we’ll get into it as we get further on down in this podcast. But yeah, I look back with coaching and it has taught me so much and people say, “Oh, you know, how did you do this?” Well, it takes two to tango. And if I didn’t have the athletes that I did, I would never achieve what I’ve achieved. It was really a team that was cyclical. You needed people who are great athletes who were sort of, I would say, wired the same way as me  and vice versa.

Sasha:

Yeah, crazy. Maybe not crazy, but determined, or dedicated or there’s definitely something that you have to have to get him to get the results.

Trevor:

Well, and truth be told. Listen, when you’re coaching, I remember graduating at a kitty university and thinking, and I took a lot of coaching courses and I thought, “Okay, yeah, well now I’m going to be this genius coach, right? Because I know all of this stuff, exercise physiology, and I know how to write the perfect training programs and etcetera.” And the reality was I wasn’t a very good coach. I tried, and I thought of what my philosophy was. But as you grow, you pick things that are actually, I’ll be honest, I ruined a lot of athletes figuring out how to become a better coach in that. What I mean room is, technically maybe I wasn’t at par. What did I need it to be as a younger coach? I didn’t understand the physiological side of the body because you can read all the books you want until you’re in the trenches and absolutely figure out how to make people tick, how to understand when they are tired and writing programs that both meet the physical component and the mental aspect. And then, the synergy of getting all of that together. And then on that one moment, on that one race day, that you have to find perfection. And it’s the hardest thing to do. And for anyone to say that they were an amazing coach coming out of the Gates, I’d say they’re on crack because it’s impossible.

Sasha:

You started out in Ontario, didn’t you? Your war canoe there broke the record.

Trevor:

Yeah. Backing up though, Sash, if you remember, believe it or not, I started coaching when I was 16 years old and I did it as a summer job. And like you and like most of the athletes, they do it as a way to get a little bit of grant money so you save some money for schooling or car or whatever kind of payments that you have. And so for me, I started in and I think this is really important because he’s talk about being whether behavior is learned or, or whether it’s in you internally how to motivate these things. When I was in the childhood, and I’m going to back in the days when I was like six, seven, eight, nine, ten. And I remember, and it was funny, I lived in a subdivision in the boonies a bit, but there was a lot of kids around and they would always come knocking on the door for me to organize, whether it was a hockey game or whether it was imaginary guns, game in the woods, whatever was going on. I always seem to, and I didn’t really realize or understand I was a leader within that community of our own age group. I didn’t even really know how or what I was doing. But I do remember, which was kind of crazy because kids were doing what I wanted to do and whatever else. I remember some parents were like, he’s almost like called leader. And I remember my parents sitting down with other parents and trying to understand like how is it that he influences these kids to do these things? And like I said, I was a child so I had no clue. And then so moving forward, I always knew I had some way of getting people to follow. And I didn’t understand how I was doing it, but people were doing it. Any sport that I was involved in, I was usually a captain or leader that way or assistant captain.

And so it just snowballed to then I really knew how to draw the best out of people. And that’s where sort of I went into coaching. I remember coming into physio and I took the PHYSED degree at Acadia University. I thought I was going to be a teacher because I thought coaching, you can’t make a career so I’m not going to go that route, so I’ll become a teacher. Because I knew I didn’t want to be in the office. So when I graduated, you have to do these interns, a couple of interns with a school and I disliked it. And the reason I disliked it, and it was funny, my youngest brother was in the elementary school that I was assigned to be the PHYSED teacher. And I struggled because there were children coming to class but didn’t want to participate. They would sit up on the benches and they do everything to avoid doing physical education. And I couldn’t understand that. I couldn’t comprehend it. And so I just started quickly because I was 16 years old and I always coached in the summer and I was always interested in athletes, and athletes came because they wanted to. That was a difference in school. They had to. And so I started the wires and my brain started working in saying, “You know what? I’m not interested in going.” You know what, it’s funny, I didn’t even realize I was throwing kind of like a career away. The education because you could be a teacher at that time. I believe it was around 70,000 or whatever else and, but it didn’t interest me. It wasn’t it just really wasn’t where my heart was.

My heart was I wanted to work with people who were motivated. So then I applied to two positions that was a Saint of X University Women’s coach. Now our first Sandra vex women’s team to coach that. But I coached soccer too. As well as canoe cock. I coach a lot of soccer. And so, and then this North Bay job, but you spoke about there about five minutes ago came up and I applied for these two positions because I didn’t want to teach. The motivation wasn’t there. And so I remember it was $12,000 to coach at Saint of X university as a basically an intern, you drive back and forth from the school coaching soccer seasons only September to November basically. And then the canoe cot job was $40,000 up in North Bay. And I was like, “Well this is not rocket science. I’m going to go with the 40,000.” I can at least live off that. So I packed my truck up, and at the time, I was with this steady girlfriend and she was like, “What are you doing? You just leave.” And I’m like, “Yeah, I’m just, I’m just going.” I couldn’t even explain it. So I got in this little red Sonoma truck and I drove up in the dead of winter because it was February the time that I was told the report. And it was a journey. I got stuck in renews this long trans-Canada highway place. And I had somebody pull me out and I was like, “Is this an omen of saying? Man, you shouldn’t be taking this or whatever.” But anyways, I checked through, I got up to North Bay and yes. I guess I got a little bit off topic but I won a war canoe there but I was winning war canoe since 92 to 95. So for three years I was at Mick Mack with a lot of gals like you would remember Michelle Brown, Jim MacPherson, Jen Thomas. And that crew they were an amazing group but I was winning with them for many years.

And then I got to North Bay and yeah, they were a dive. There was nothing to this club, there was no membership. And that’s partly why they wanted to hire a head coach, somebody who was going to come and drive a program. So that really was, it was the beginning a little bit for me in that I was already starting to be pegged as a war canoe coach from 92 to 95 because I was winning more queues, lots of them. And then they just said, “This guy’s a war canoe guy!” And I wanted to be more than just a war canoe guy. And as you know, the small boat side being the canoe and kayak. North Bay opened doors for me not only coach good work and it was, but then to coach serious high-performance canoe kayak, sprint canoe kayak and as you know, the Olympics sports stuff. So that was the seed that was planted that enabled me to then make my myself more diverse as a coach instead of just being pigs of war canoe coach. It allowed me to now start digging into being a high performance coach to other disciplines. So I have war canoe, the canoe kayak, and well sprint.

Sasha:

I feel like part of the reason that our work news did so well with cousins, everyone that was a lot of the times the people in the boats were the sprint canoe kayak group. And their training was just so different than people who only train for war. But I’m creating that war canoe boat. I know I went through some agony as a junior coach how do you cut people? Or like how do you select the boat? And you often would do just a run at the beginning of the practice. And whoever’s the fastest 15 runners, that’s a good start or some kind of set criteria. But what did you find the sweet spot from choosing a boat?

Trevor:

Yeah. Well, listen, I still have people today who disliked me because of them not making a boat or whatever else. And actually to tell you the truth, it hurts me because I’ve never wanted or intended to hurt anybody. But it’s an investment when anybody commits in you know very well how much time is put into this process that not to make a boat is tough. And so for me there was just the simple things. It was based on fitness, right? So you had to be, I think of any of these old movies, the Iris sport in this sport snag your type, it’s like the iron fist. You had to be mentally and physically tough. That’s what I look for. And so you might not even the beauty of, at least in work, it didn’t have to necessarily be that perfect technical athlete, but you had to have the mindset that you’ll run through a wall and that you’re going to hit that pain and you’ll go through that threshold of pain, and I hate saying, but you’ll die for this crew. And that was the mentality of, if you could show that and running was an easy way to test because as you know, and you were grinder that, and if you listen to some of my Instagram, like I am an advocate that you want to truly test how fit yard hit the pavement. And if you hit the pavement and you feel like death not producing good times or whatever, it just doesn’t lie to you. The pavement and those feet do not lie to you. They just, it tells you you’re either in shape or you’re not. And so that was just a real simple way of doing it. Then as I got, and remember those were younger years of me coaching, but then as you get a little older and a little wiser.

Listen, those things are still in the cards of measuring, but then you’ll measure other things too. And you mentioned like the canoe kayak athletes would often make the work and because that was a no brainer, working in for the most part was a summer sport. So you could have people come and show up and train two and a half months when you had canoe kayakers who trained 12 months, a year. Year after year that you knew these people were “machines”. So for me, that was simple canoe kayaker, it was going to make the boat over somebody that was saying, they’re around for two months. And then I think even spun later when we were having some dialogue yesterday, younger athletes, sometimes I pull younger athletes out into a more senior boat. You remember Jamie McCarthy? I remember she was young, a go getter, but I had no problems throwing and checking her in a boat with older people, because I knew where her head space was, she would do anything to win. I knew Sasha Hodder who would do anything.

Sasha:

Jamie and I were together for the midget K2. My arms used to sometimes get like tight at the end of races. And it started happening with a hundred meters ago. We were like fighting for third place with CIMA, which happened to be Dalessio, Jill Dalessio. And I could just feel Jamie like it just 200 meters to go. And I just felt like, “Oh my God, this girl’s like on fire!” She does motor that through that finish line.

Trevor:

Yeah! not just saying this because you’re running this podcast, but there was a core people that, I mean between yourself and Jamie, and there was an era of Kelly flicks, Pam Doyle’s, Julia and Heather, they were all machines. Liz Orton was in there.

Sasha:

She could out run most of the guys

Trevor:

For sure! And so we inherited, because that core was so strong and because you guys were as good as you were. We we ended up in the Christina North DOT’s, we got the deal. Dalessio even later on when you moved on, like Nicole Brown’s and we got a lot of people who again, and we’ll get probably further down into this coaching in life period. Whether it’s a relationship, whether it’s your business, whether you’re working for somebody, it’s success breeds success. And you surround yourself like good people will want to go where good things are happening, right? And that’s so key. And so you guys actually, I actually laid the foundation because you built it and people say, “Trevor, it’s enlightening. Oh, Trevor, I was a part of this.” And I will say like where you say like, what did you do as a coach? Well, I did do some things really well. The one big thing was accountability. If you want to be successful in anything, you need accountability. So I remember being with other coaches, great coaches who were international olympians and it was as simple as this, the mindset. Show up at 5:00 AM every morning, open the door, and at 4:00 PM, open the door. And the mentality is, these are my mentors. Saint Trevor’s, it’s as simple as this. Like the people who start showing up at the 5:00 AM and doing the 4:00 PM breakfast where they’re going to see gains because they’re doing more volume. And so I would never miss a practice. Like if that just was not in my nature, like if I was terrified, I remember be terrified if I would ever like sleep over my alarm.

So I used to have two alarms. Like just cause maybe the one wouldn’t work and 9 times out of 10, I’d always wake up before both of the alarms anyways. But I was just terrified in that, in vested in to see success that I knew that if there were people that were going to follow me to that club at 5:00 AM every morning and at 6:00 PM or 4:00 PM finishing at 6:00 PM that we were going to do something great. But I needed those right people to be around me. And the people who would believe, and we’ll get into that too. But yeah, so Sasha in a nutshell from this whole journey, and I always refer to it as the journey. The athletes, it goes both ways. You need a coach who is driven, and you need an athlete or athletes that are driven. And then you have a chance to be successful. When I say chance, there’s all other things that kind of like get in the way of not meeting your goal.

Sasha:

So you create that kind of culture. How do you get that culture where everyone wants to show up? There were a lot of times where I probably didn’t want to show up, but I was scared, not just of you, but of the other teammates, like if you’re not definitely sick, they’re going to know and just think you’re slacking off. Or like there was that kind of attitude. Like we all didn’t want to let each other down.

Trevor:

Exactly where it just hit it. It’s called the loyalty. So once you’ve developed, once you’ve invested, once you described it as a culture, I guess you first have to see the results from this. So showing up, for example, at 5:00AM. You would show up at 5:00 AM, and the other person would show up just in the afternoons because it’s hard to get up early in the morning, right? But all of a sudden, Sasha Hodder is now starting to move ahead, or was behind and moving ahead of this person. But either way, they’re now starting to separate themselves from that person that’s putting less volume. And so quickly the light bulb comes on and that person identifies, well, she’s going at 5:00 AM practices too, right? So I have to kind of get with the program, that’s where the success is. So I get to go there. Right? And so I remember, this was interesting. When I was at the club and I remember the board of directors and you know, I’m pig-headed and I’m very stubborn, and it was a big move that when you turned $70. No, it was $50 in the beginning to pay for training fee of a month. And they were bumping it to $70 and they were terrified of they were going to lose membership because it was 20 more dollars from the $50. And so I said, not going to be enough. I said, we’re going to bump it to $110. Now where did I come up with that number? Well, CIMA was the dominant club for some time now and they were charging $120 a month. And so I felt, I’m not the level of CIMA obviously.

But I insure going to invest my education and my time into this, that $110 is going to change and they’re like, “No way! Go away!” And I said, “No, no, no! We’re going to put it $110, because we’re going to actually find out who really wants to be here.” I didn’t care about the $50 people, right? They want $50 because, well I could just go whenever I wanted to. But soon as I put the $110 down, now the parents are going to say, if you join and Laurie Hodder is going to say, “You know what, Sasha, you’re going to show up in the morning because I’m paying for this money.”

Sasha:

I’m doing the paddle of thought every day. After practice I’d be on the doors knocking, getting the.. “Oh, I’m doing this paddle of thought.” Like that.

Trevor:

So it works out that way, you have to value. And so I put value to what I was going to do. And so yeah, in the beginning, there wasn’t huge numbers, but the few that did come, I knew and I told them that I will make a difference and I will make you better. I could promise that, I knew that because I knew just pure volume, not knowing like if I didn’t even know any technique in blah, blah, blah, I just got them to show up for two times a day. I knew that that was going to be a recipe for success. So, and it was.

Sasha:

I remember you telling me when I was coaching the younger ones, like the peewees there, the Adam’s like 10 to 12 year olds, and that you said just get them out around the bull rock, like which is four kilometers. Do that with them every day. It doesn’t matter what you do in the process of getting around the bull rock. And it really worked, all they need is just time in the boat.

Trevor:

Yeah. And as you know, that falls into volume, but then also falls into, well, we’ve got a paddle and these are youngsters, right? But now I’ve probably want to paddle a little more efficient for 4K than paddling all crooked. And so it starts to reinforce technique, good habits. Because it’s a distance now and they’re going to have to have so many X amount of strokes to get back. So, and that’s what, nevermind. And we’ll even get into like parents probably,  but if you recall that too, it was for me, it was like if you want to be a coach, you want your parents out of your hair. So don’t have them where they can scrutinize you, whether they’re all around the dock, go up way up there, do what you gotta do so that you don’t have these people looking over your shoulder and judging you for everything that you do. And I found the Florida training kits. They were the best training I have ever seen athletes excel at because there was no distractions. And a lot of times, parents are distractions, and school is a distraction. You know these things. And for me, if you could eliminate the parents at least, because we did some crazy stuff, but the crazy stuff works on your mind, right? And they don’t get it. If you’re a parent, you’re a parent. If you’re coach, you’re a coach that understands that you need to get to limits that you never thought were possible. And the beauty of coaching is having athletes see that they didn’t think they could do it, and then they do it. And then when they get on that train, that train of “This is possible!” You have what is called belief. And if you have belief, belief is the most powerful thing you can have. And I can tell you from when I talk about writing training programs, I used to think I had to be a master, and I had to really like the rest ratio, this, that, whatever else and think like an exercise physiologist, which the truth is, I wasn’t assigned to that. I did understand it, but I knew though that I was watching other programs that were the worst programs being written down on paper but were being successful. And if you’re really smart, you look at what’s being successful over here and over here, and you take some of that, right? Why wouldn’t you? You steal and then you put it in as your own coaching philosophy. I’m not saying you do identically because I never did anything identically to what other, but I stole bits and pieces from people that were making things work. And that was the one thing that I started to understand was, I don’t have to get so crazy wrapped around this perfect written training program. No! What I needed was, the athletes to understand that if they believed in what I was delivering that was far more powerful than worrying about, “Oh, did they have enough rest on this? And will they be rested perfectly on that race day?” And that’s where I got over that a little bit. But then I learned further and later in the career that I would be able to push these athletes so hard and mentally be so tough that later in my coaching I started figuring out that I was more, instead of messing around with rest ratio and trying to get on the day, I would actually just take it to, I’m going to give them more rest. I’d rather have a rested athlete on race day then try to be like, “Ah! they were a little bit, I was a little short on them, they were a little overworked.” So I just went on the caution side to say I remember I used to do three days where I really tailor down. And the great part of coaching is teasing them, and them bringing the training program down where they wanted to come out of the gates. They wanted to come swing it. They like “Trevor, no! I want to go now!” And I knew when I was harnessing, I seen that energy. It was good because you knew that race was hopefully really close, and they just had that energy they wanted to release it. But if you’re common bagged and you’re coming in and you’re, because you don’t need time to recover, right?

So I would always caution on giving them a little more rest before then after then really trying to time it,  because I’ve timed some where I messed up. Like when I said ruin athletes that they were too fatigued and they weren’t as rested as they needed to be. So that is, Sasha, that’s the part about coaching. It’s you do that like year after year and have many, many athletes we’re up to date. You start figuring out, you know what ticks right? And understanding the dynamic, Sasha Hodder works completely different from Jill Williams, right? Or from Heather Flo, you’re all different. So a great coach is able to mastermind what’s gonna make Sasha tick, and then yet look over to the right and know what’s going to make a Julia Revard tick, right? Or a Heather Flo, all those Nate’s right household names or Jill Dalessio. You all had like the same kind of characteristics, and one was, you all we’re intense, right? You all would fight to get to that finish line or that end of the piece and try to win pieces. And I think, I believe that, when I was pounding on the paddle on the boat, like you can do it like I wanted the people in the back to catch them. Like I just did this the other day running with my sons. And we were doing poll sprinting, and Oscar’s the oldest, so he jumps out and you know, I’m not as fast as I used to be, but I’m behind.

But I’m telling Maxi, like you can do it like “Catch up! Catch up! Catch up! Catch up!” That’s the push, right? And then if he’s hearing that, you know the front runner being Oscar is like, “Shit! My brother is behind me and I got to go. My dad’s pushing him to catch me and so I got to kick it in another gear.” So again, it just spins off that if I’m always worried about the first person going, what’s demoralizing for the people in the back too. So I always started to coach from behind and worked my way up.

Sasha:

Sometimes, it doesn’t matter if you are dead last, the faster people would start at the back.

Trevor:

That’s right. So those are different things and tactics. That’s the word of tactics of how to make training more efficient. And where everybody thrives.

Sasha:

Because it’s the weather dynamics and stuff, and the motor boat, and we need everyone in certain area.

Trevor:

For sure. Yeah.

Sasha:

And one another thing I used to notice about, or it’s something that gave me confidence in our crews was, we were always out there in whatever kind of weather. You had a really strict weather policy. Like we’ve even paddled in lightning, we might get a little upset with you weather policy Trevor, but it worked. Like whenever race day came, none of us were worried about a windy or rainy day because we’d been out, like we never stopped. You used to say you can run 365 days a year, you just got to wear the right outfit. And then we’d show up and if the weather was bad, it was actually usually something that helped us do better compared to the other people who maybe weren’t used to training in the bad weather.

Trevor:

And here it is, Sasha. When you’re a young coach, you sometimes do stupid shit. And then even later it’s like lightning. It was like get to the shoreline, right? Or whatever. But here was the mentality, and I remember vividly why I said that, why I did those things is because I was working on the mindset like we were on water at times. Technically it was a pointless to be out there because you just couldn’t paddle technically well, because the wind was terrible. It was all over the place. But I didn’t care. I wasn’t working on technique. It was the mindset and that was part of building that athlete up saying exactly where you sit. So if we came to that day where the wind was tough or whatever, you’d be able to say, “I did this! I went through this! Not be on the shoreline.” I remember in Sydney 2000 Olympics, Caroline Brunet, who was the best in our country…

Sasha:

I remember thinking she should have had you as her coach. She was all worried about the wind.

Trevor:

She was a wreck, and she was more focused on, and the wind was horrible, and she did not want to race. I was watching her argue with officials saying they wanted it to be postponed, that she couldn’t do this. And she, I can tell you right now, like I was watching and I it was already too late because she had already developed.

Sasha:

With that mentality going in. If you’ve already been begging someone not to ace that day, you’re not going to be your best at the line.

Trevor:

That’s right. And I watched her opponent, she was from Italy, and she was cool, calm and I overheard that where she trained was in of crazy rough water and she was just licking her chops. I could just see, I knew there was no way Caroline was going to win. And you knew she was supposed to win by a lot. And the gal from Italy like was falling off, like off the Mark and wasn’t deemed a winner. And anyways, it was just, it was amazing to watch because you just saw it right in your own eyes. That right there because she had to have the perfect water all the time and never trade in any of that stuff. The day that she needed to have that in her back pocket of I did this stuff, I don’t care for mine. Beat her. And when she went up to the why? I think she was the best, a silver, maybe even a bronze man. You know what I mean?  

Sasha:

I don’t remember the race. I just remember that interview and thinking like, “Geez, that’s done for her.”

Trevor:

And it was. So anyways, but that’s the thing. And as you know, in our sport, you can’t sit in an environment that you can’t control. We don’t do it in a dome. And have the conditions were always the same. So you have to prepare for that. But the beautiful thing about, I think we’ll get into this a little bit is that’s why I love sport. And right now as I told you, I’m not coaching high performance anymore, but I do miss coaching, that level stuff. But you take, like Sasha, you look at all of your peers, all the people who you knew or around and those traits just trickle into everything that you learned as an athlete trickle into life, right?

Like who has a smooth road being successful at whatever they choose, right? There’s no such thing, right? Like you got to put yourself in that bumpy water in that windy shit environment, and you got to go through that. Because that is the trench and you gotta live in the trenches first and figure things out and know that I’m a survivor. This is not going to beat me down. I know that I can get there if I’ve been in the worst of worst, and you need to be in the worst of the worst, right? You then have to open your eyes, and you have to say, “Okay, well I’ve been at the lowest of all lows. How do I get myself out of this?” And you find paths, you find ways like athletes or fighters.

Sasha:

It’s something like the wind and the water, it can be blowing all over and then you find that connection and it’s like, “Oh, here’s how. Okay I got my flow in this.” It just changes depending whatever environment you’re in. You just gotta find that resistance, the right way to move. I dunno, it works for not just paddling, but running or rowing or anything like the bad weather, you just gotta find the way the wind’s blowing, kinda thing.

Trevor:

And it is sometimes we refer to as rhythmic. And when you think about life too, once you get, you can use words, traction, once you get that traction, that rhythm, and you start rolling, it doesn’t matter. It’s not like about athletic stuff. Yes, that too, but in business or whatever you do, or you start to feel good and then you get on that wave, and instead of being behind that wave, always like trying to climb that wave you’re actually on the wave in your roll in with it, right? I’ve never been a surfer, but I know what it feels like when I watch somebody like that or on the water doing that. I’m like, that is just so easy. And you just, you’re on that wave and you just keep riding it right into the beach, right? If you’re too far forward, you go crash. If you’re too far back, you fall back. It’s that sweet spot, right? And that’s life is trying to find that sweet spot. And I mean, listen, Sasha, I can tell you people know a little bit about me, but like, listen, I had a divorce and did I want to be there? No, I didn’t. Were there other things? Yeah. At the end of the day, that was kind of a low for me. But I wasn’t going to make it my life. Like I wanted to be better. I wanted Trevor to be alive. And so I needed to have some things changed. And you just have to know that I’m a firm believer. I was just telling Cam today, and she rolls her eyes or whatever. I said, what if you ever, if you ever adopt or whatever, I’m not of the mindset. It’s kind of funny. It’s like I’m not of the mindset that I’m going to sit there and do well and be like, I’ll just pick myself up and I’ll go, that’s who I am. It’s not to knock the relationship or anything.

Sasha:

I have the same, like I’m really, I just got married and I’m really happy and things are good, but I always have some little like, I need my car registered. I don’t know how to explain it, but I know I’m going to be okay no matter what. Like with all this Corona fear, even like a worry about people dying and stuff. And I just have this feeling of, “Okay, well if that happens to someone else, it’s a little bit.” I feel bad about it sometimes, but I just know I’m okay. And it’s, I think the reason I have always that feeling in me of I’m going to be okay through whatever is coming is from running those Hills and paddling on that ice. And it’s like pushing yourself maybe nearly to max exertion and knowing that you’re okay through that and your body will be okay. Like it’s just, the sports has always given me a certain level of confidence in my own skills. And I think even as a lawyer, like I went out into this weird field of Bitcoin and there’s no textbook to tell you how to do it. And it’s just like, I know I’m going to be able to figure it out if anyone else can, I can. Like I just have this, I don’t share about it much. I think a lot of people would look at that and say, “Geez, aren’t you a little too confident or too cocky?” Or you know, look at it as a negative. But it’s from the sports mentality and like I just remember you always saying like you look around when you’re at that starting line, well first of all, the line is with the first person like that has been a lesson that’s just always stuck to me.

So in paddling, you can start at the line or people drift ahead and if there’s no one there telling you get back to the line, then you let yourself drift ahead with whoever else is drifting and just that mentality of like, “Okay, these are the rules.” Like it’s shifting constantly. And the line is with the first person. And then knowing that wherever that line is, when that like siren or the the gun goes, you’re going to go and you’re giving it your all. And that’s just kinda how life is too. I don’t know.

Trevor:

Oh no, you hit it on the head, Sasha. Listen, the reality is of athletes I think is, and it’s not like,  listen, you remember too, like even in the athlete world, when you say all that person’s cocky or whatever, I hate the word cocky. It’s confident and it’s understanding them styles, right? And knowing what they’re capable of doing. And so no matter what, like I don’t fear like I, I guess like people like I want to, some people define success money. All right. And I think this is a, I don’t want to lose this line cause this is really important. Like athletes for the most part, I think once they leave that world, they say, well, they’ve valued, they got all this like time management, work ethic, drive all these skills. But on top of that to have identified that health is important, right? And so in this time, this pandemic that’s going on in this world, I train every day and you say like, we are a lot alike, and I mean me, you too, all those athletes, because I have a mentality that I prepare and I run. Like today I was on the stepper and I have in the mind that if this goddamn disease hits me, I’m going to fight it, right? I just don’t feel it. I don’t want to have it. And I’m taking all the precautions of being self-isolated and doing everything that our government’s asking. But at the end of the day, we control our health. And our health is a part of what we learned as an athlete that you can’t buy health. And if you don’t have your health, you have nothing.

Think about it. You can’t vacation, you can’t spend time with your loved ones, right? Because you’re sick, you’re in need. And so for me, the power is always with me. And so I always feel that no matter what, like even like tough times, people losing their jobs and stuff and even we’ve been hit financially pretty hard personally ourselves. But I will find a way, that’s just my mentality. I will find a way, but I need to get out of this box to find a way because that’s part of the problem, right? I’m not going to sit here and dwell about it, but get me out of this house so I can go and do something.

Sasha:

Trevor, you have just so much knowledge. You could be doing a lot on like podcasts and video stuff. I think a lot of people, I would love to do a workout with you even through something like some medium like this.

Trevor:

Yeah, again people think of this as health. Like that’s something they can control. That is something we can control. We can’t control the buyers, we can’t control. And you know sport like that’s what we teach about sport. Don’t worry about things you can’t control. You can’t worry about the person to your left, to your right, or the wind or whatever else like that. We just talked it with the mentality to prepare yourself for those types of conditions. But the water is the bloody same for the person to the right and to the left. It’s the same conditions, no excuses. So it’s figuring a way to know how you are going to pursue and tackle this and it’s you. It’s left on you as an athlete. Now being in a team it’s harder because now you’ve got to get people, in our case it was 14 so yourself and 13 others, we needed 14 people and I preach this to you guys all the time, that it just takes one person, one person to Slack and come into the middle of the boat and go for a ride.

Now we got to pull somebody’s weight, and we’re down to 13 people, right? And that was the horrible loving like war canoe. I looked because you needed to know how people ticked and you needed to know that when you put those 14 in, all 14 or on the same page and would do, they would look left and right. And they would know that that person is going to put the exact same effort as I am. And I hate using this analogy, but you go to war, you go to war together and you have one another’s back. And that’s my old school coaching. I believe like the loyalty, having your back and understanding that if I invested this amount of time in like years, and we talk about like, yeah, I could do later on. Talk about like there’s no quick fix. It takes a lot of time, but you gotta love and passion and you’ve got to know that that success breeds success, that environment around you, the people that are there, that’s synergy. You will all thrive off of it, right? And it’s that you don’t want broken link, the chains broken, right?

Sasha:

Never a better feeling than just like, just even when we, you’d give us a talk and then we’d listen to that. Busta rhymes, this, it means more song all together. We’re all so serious right that boat down, no one would look anywhere. We were just get in like paddle, on the knee, ready. It was something else. The mental focus that we had on, on the races and the trust that we had in everything. Like we knew we were going to win. We knew everyone in that boat always knew Lego. You know what? We’re about to walk over every other team. Like it was just, we just were, and we did. And it was fun.

Trevor:

It’s confidence, but it’s also understanding that you’ve gone through, this is the easy part. You’ve done all the hard stuff.

Sasha:

We just did like 8 hour run the day before, the week before the race.

Trevor:

Exactly hill run in the 1500 meters that if you get a better time, then you can stop it. If you don’t, you got two more added on and blah, blah, blah. Like it was all a test that mentality wise.

Sasha:

What can former athletes turned adults do every day to stay fit and encourage their families?

Trevor:

Yeah. So here and I think like for me, I guess you were first asked to like what aspects of sports translates to others that are of life, whatever. And I think that we’ve said a little bit and touch a little bit on this or a lot on this, but the sport background of people coming from sport, whether it’s going into family, business, whatever it may be, the drive, dedication, the path, that passion, that goal oriented, right? The toughness, the resilience, how to deal with failure. The fight, right? That’s the fight that you get kicked down. You get back up, excuse me. And it’s how fast you get back up and the “no quit.” It’s being a team player. It’s work ethic, like beyond, it’s your time management. There’s so much stuff.

And for me for fitness, you asked the question, how hard is it to maintain? Why are you talk to you about the health reasons, right? So to me it’s just important. I believe I owe it to myself, to my board because if I’m not around, I can’t look after them financially, they are not ready to be left alone even at 16 and 18. But that’s where, ironically, I’m getting over that hump where they’re getting into university that I’m going to be at a different stage in my life that I live to make sure they’re okay, right? But once they’re okay, it’ll be interesting. What other journey, what other chapter I take in my book, right? Because that’s what that drives me also to keep my mind, you, I know you, I know many others are like us, where our mind bad days, whatever. Like, that’s my drug being fitness, to keep my sanity because I need to have that to have, that’s my medication, to free to release any tension I may have. To also put in thoughts. It helps me think when I’m out there a little more clearly, right? Whether it’s a run outside or on the tread or inside or whatever it may be. For me it relaxes me and yet pushes me and I sent you a link and this is important because I’m 48 and I regard myself as pretty good guy as for being fit. And I ran there and I posted it on Instagram. I have no shame. It was like I felt like I wanted to die. Because as you know, running on a treadmill to running outside are just completely two different worlds

Sasha:

When I saw your Instagram thing, I thought you were suffering from what I’m suffering from and everyone else’s suffering from. Well, but I think it’s my, I feel like the collective fear and like uncertainty makes the air heavier right now. So I feel like I’m doing altitude training or something when I’m outside running. I can’t breathe my normal way. And I don’t know why. I hope it’s not chem trails or them dropping Corona in the air. So I’m not, but there’s something up right now where like I’m having trouble getting my energy up when I’m outside a little bit, but maybe it’s like you said, it’s just the way, it’s winter has been here and I need to get my food and it’s the test that I’m not in shape enough.

Trevor:

Well, and like I use my boys today, like when I jumped in we went into the gym and I texted him saying, “I’m in the gym now.” And then they kind of came down and Max said, “Oh, I really don’t feel like working out today.” And I said, “That is when you need to work out most of the days that you need to get in there and work because that is getting you over the hump.” Gains are not made by sitting on the couch or in front of a computer or whatever else, right? Like as far as the fitness side of it, right? But I use it, I sent you the link and it says don’t let the old man in and I love this song and I plant people say you’re crazy, Marshall. But I do not want to get old. And so I feel that I am still like I’m 48. I don’t feel like I’m 48. I still feel, if I could put a number on it, I would feel like I’m in the early thirties. I’m not worse off and shape as I was in an early 30. And yeah, I had tough runs, but I know that once I get through it, I’m taking it back to where I was. But that motivates me. That song motivates me because I get up and I just make it a habit. And so this is the thing, if people really want to see gains, and it doesn’t matter whatever you choose as your goal, because you have to have a goal. But if it’s fitness, which I highly recommend for people to do because again, the whole health reasons but is to think of it as brushing your teeth. Now you will put a time in every evening or every morning, whatever you do, you put a time in before you go to bed or when you get up to brush your teeth, it’s the habit.

Sasha:

Twice a day or more.

Trevor:

Well for me, whatever you choose, the hygiene is up to different people. But at the end of the day, let’s just pick, you brushed your teeth the one night before you go to bed every day. And the day that you want to rake it. Because we’ve all done and we didn’t brush her teeth and we wake up in the morning and he got that scum on the front of your teeth. You feel like a bag of shit. Excuse my language, but it’s not good. And so then you go in and get that toothbrush and it’s like, “ah, I feel I just feel better.” Well that’s fitness to me, that if I don’t brush my teeth, that is how I feel on the day of not doing workout. I feel scummy. And so, but I’ve made it a habit now that it’s a part of my daily routine. So there are days like yesterday, I took off because I went for that hard run and my body needed a break and so you learn to understand your body when it’s time to take a break. But for the most part, I put in 40 to 60 minutes of fitness, whether it’s lifting weights or running or whatever, a day. And maybe one day off in the week, maybe two max, I always do five, maybe seven, maybe six, it bounces on how I feel, but I make it a habit. And the minute that I break that habit is I go back to that scummy feeling. And so my son watches, my sons watch me go down. And when I was a coach, I drove and I was tough and people were scared of me or intimidated because I demanded so much.

And I coach my voice through everything. And the one thing I would look back, it’s hard to be a parent and coach because they are two different, there are two different worlds really. Because I find the demand is just higher and coaching then parenting, I really do like parenting is you gotta be, it’s a fine line but so I don’t push them anymore. I just, I absolutely hope that they see me and I lead by example. So when we go back to even the days of coaching, you guys, I would never put you guys through anything that I couldn’t see myself doing. And I find myself even at 48 I don’t like, I’m not patting myself on the back but, but I’m one tough son of a bitch. Like I play with my mind all the time. Like in running, don’t kid yourself. Like there are times that I want to stop, but I just, I fight through it and there are times that I feel like what Max did and Cam just the other day, we’re sitting there and I was like, I gotta get my lazy ass up, keep going. Like you need a kick in the butt and Cam works out. And they all make fun of me because I’m the crazy guy, whatever. But they all follow my routine because I lead, right? And that’s what I did when I was six years old. I just led by being a person who led by example. These are things you want to join me and join. That’s up to you. And so when you’re in relationships, I’m pretty sure my boys, I’ve got a good taste now 16 and 18 years of me. I believe that anything is possible, but you’ve got to put the work in and you’ll hear me on my Instagram’s go and people say this guy’s crazy, but I’m like, gains, don’t grow on trees. Hard work don’t grow on trees, right? But that just happens out there, blossoms or whatever else. Like we kind of get in there and we gotta grind it out and it’s going to hurt, right? And then we may reap the benefits of picking that Apple off the tree one day because of all our hard work. But it just, it’s not that easy, right. Life is hard. And I always put it as a book and I don’t even read books, but I always represented as your life is a novel and you have chapters all the way through and each chapter is different, right? And you don’t even know. Like I said, I’m coming to another end of the chapter here. Assume where my boys are going to be okay. And they’re on their own. And to me, I did my part as a father, I supported them financially, I’ve pushed them or given them my beliefs and philosophy of how to be successful. And hopefully now it’s up to them to decide their own path, right? And to sit back and enjoy that. But what I’m excited for my next chapter, right? Of what am I doing? I don’t know. And it’s sort of like in life, like where you set goals, right? Well, I’m at the end of this race soon and now I get to set new goals. New years. It’s a new chapter. And so I don’t know where it is, where I’m at, but  as you know, I have an afterschool program. I have a dragon boat company. I love doing like corporate retreats stuff like inspiring people. That’s what I love doing. And I’m a training officer for the fire department and people say, “Oh, you’re so passionate.” I am, because if you’re going to do a job, do it right and inspire. Don’t be a dead beat, don’t be bump on the log sort of thing. And so whatever I do, I try to do it to my very best. I am not perfect, none of us are. I’ve made lots of mistakes in my life, but I don’t look back and I can’t change it, right. It’s been done. But what I can do is it comes back to the control. I can control where I am now. And so when we talk about why can’t a former athlete turned out, let’s do each day to stay fit and encourage their families. I think it’s really important. You have to make it a part of your lifestyle and Sasha, you inspired me, like today I saw your post or just a simple week schedule and Cam does this too, like with her groceries and whatever else, it’s like you write it down and when you write it down, then you’ve got to go and achieve it. You got to do it right. That’s the plan. And so in tough times like this, it’s like instead of sitting there and being like, I just watch four and a half hours of TV, it wasted my time. It did nothing for me. And don’t get me wrong, there’s a time for TV where you put your legs up and I’m like done and have a glass of wine or whatever.

But if you just continue to do that day after day, it’s like, what was your predator? How were you productive? And I always measure things have built being productive. And so for me, athletes, you are programmed, they were programmed of knowing regiment, schedule, whatever. It’s well at the time like this, that’s what you need to do. Just put a schedule. It’s changed but put a schedule into achievement and then don’t force anything on your family. Like whether you got kids and I’ve done it made mistakes. Looking back, I know that I would probably change the approach, but it’s done.

Sasha:

The whole reason, not the whole reason, we’ve stayed in touch pretty well over the years. Every summer, I remember taking Thomas to the track thinking I became a stepmom, and I’m like, Oh, 10 years old, just the age I started used to coaching these kids. And I was expecting the same out of him as out of the kids, the atoms for war canoe and they could certainly run a mile. And some of them like Danny Clattenburg or Anna, they were so fast and they just were begging to run it and he was in that mood about it. And he’d never been asked to run a mile before and he didn’t want to do it. But now this year, so we did it. We kept doing it once a quarter. I don’t say you have to run it like the first, I was right there like come on after talking with you. That’s not the approach that’s going to work here. There needs to be some motivation and now we set goals and we do the run like periodically, but it’s not a big catastrophe to have to do it anymore and that’s an improvement from 10 to 11 now what’s it going to look like at 12 at 13, we just keep building from where we are.

Trevor:

Yeah. He’ll probably like by you doing this to, by not pushing but developing something where you’ll go out do it or participate or lead by example, you then gain trust, right? And when you gain trust, then it becomes more inner, like I want to do it because I see the benefits and whatever else. And so I just, I think you lead by example. I guess that’s a lot of times people try to figure out like even the coach or whatever. Like I think I did a pretty good job of showing up every day and showing that I cared, right? And I think if you do that as a parent, you show up every day, you show that you care, you lead by example, you empower one another. I don’t know Jeff’s background, but if he wasn’t an athlete or whatever, I know that you’ve shown him a whole side of that athlete side, right? But there are days that you’ll need a kick in the bum, right? And hopefully the partnership is where Jeff is feeling pretty good. And he says, “No, let’s go!” And he pushes you, right? And then it goes on to our children, right? Where it goes back and forth. So Max was off today, but maybe, well I remember specifically four days ago he said, let’s go for a run dad. I was like, “Okay, let’s just go” right? So he got me up. So it’s that success breeds success. It’s that energy that’s in the round and that is not just within sport. It’s about being successful. Like I talked about how I saw your inspirational piece of your goals, of what you foresee yourself doing it long-term and Jeff and whoever else, they’re goal oriented. They have dropped. That’s who you want to surround yourself with. There’s people who are just, deadbeat. Like for people like you are not like that. You have to be in the race and the race is whatever you choose as your goal, right?

Sasha:

So Like they needed to marathon that thing. We used to listen to that all the time, doing weights, that ice cube song, it’s like one lyric of a song, but it sticks with me every time that something’s not working or something. Like even this podcast for example, I’ve been doing it for two years now. I’ve learned so much from each person I talked to. It gives me something that I enjoy doing and you know, planning for each week, but it hasn’t grown. It doesn’t make any money. And sometimes I even feel embarrassed. I’m like, “Oh, still doing it.” And there’s other podcasts out there and they just grow. So they have like 10,000 people watching them. And I don’t know what the magic formula for that is, but I’m keeping going with it and I know someday, I don’t know what the topic is. Bitcoin law is what I’m interested in and that’s what’s helping me the most to talk about. But I know eventually, this is what I enjoy doing and it’s going to turn into something positive. It already has been positive, but it’s going to turn into moneymaker hopefully at some point in the road. So I’m just not going to put until does. And with everything, like keep exploring different avenues, like maybe conversations like this is more interesting than Bitcoin law or I don’t know what direction, but I know from all the years of training and with this, okay, you keep going and keep trying different ways to make it make it work.

Trevor:

I know nothing about Bitcoin as you know, but I’m sure even Bitcoin people who are immersed into that will learn something or take something from this, because again, if it’s a business listen reality, and people don’t really understand this is a lot of things are created. The business models are created from the military and sports. Those two areas are how a lot of these models have been built to being a successful business or how to build and whatever they’ve stolen from sport and from the military, right? And so I don’t doubt people will gain something from this. And if not take away a piece where there’ll be a little bit motivated. But at the end of the day, when you talk about, I used to think let’s do a game like Instagram. I got like 236 followers and then I was like, I don’t care. Here’s the way I look at it is, and I actually flipped it on how you do it says join you where now you have to join. I’m like, I’m not open to the public.

Sasha:

You made yours as private.

Trevor:

Yeah. So I made my thing private, whatever, but I’ve been getting a lot of feedback and people texting me and behind I care more about the smaller number of people who actually care and are making change. Then having like, I don’t know, let’s say you got 10,000, let’s just say you had a thousand. Are you really making a difference in these people’s lives? And so I’d rather take quality over quantity and that’s how I would say it. So whatever your numbers are of your podcast here at the end of the day, if it’s passionate, like today, I like when you asked me, like I spent Cams, like, man, you spending like going over all these questions and whatever else. And so it’s just my nature. I just want to do or be the best that I can be when I’m given something or asked to do something. And that’s the way you are to your program like that. You’re wired like that and these Bitcoin people are wired like that, right? They want to be successful. And so, drive and all this stuff we’ve talked about the sport, it’s contagious. Like if they take this and then tell me like any good business person, they have to make it a habit. They have to develop it and make it a habit. And then on top of all this, they have to know that accountability is everything, right? So somebody’s gotta be holding this program accountable, right? So you’re holding this accountable, to the distribution of whatever your fan base is there. And maybe you grab a little more. But I just, I always go back to what is it you’re trying to do? If you’re trying to really change people, then go with the quality versus just people watching. Look at the garbage that’s on this social media, right. And what people pay attention to. But to me, I’m just like, did this crazy, right? But to each their own, you focus on you. Again, some of this stuff, you focus on what you can control, you try to influence and make it right and you turn the page the next day, right? So anyhow I don’t know, Sasha, I always, I said that sometimes, I don’t know. I think that now that I’m 48, I’ve gone through a lot and even in my current career as a firefighter, I learned a lot. I’ve learned a lot about people. And I just, I enjoy hanging out or chatting to the people like yourself who ironically have always been throughout my life. And that’s more important to me than having some person I don’t even know really. It’s no influence, right? So you hold me accountable and vice versa. And when we see those videos of us doing stuff or whatever, we know one another as an individual, it motivates me and motivates you, blah, blah blah. And you go from there. But set those goals, believe and anything is possible. That’s really where I’m at. And if you get kicked in the teeth, get up and keep moving. I always say chin up, chest up, keep your feet moving, chest up, keep your feet moving no matter what. And if you can get on that crest of the wave and ride it, ride it for as long as you can, you’ll come off it and then you got to figure out how to get back on, right? And that’s just life.

Sasha:

Oh, that’s so good. Thank you, Trevor.

Trevor:

No worries, Sasha. Listen, thank you for inviting me.

Sasha:

Where can people find you? To follow?

Trevor:

Coach_Marshall. That is my Instagram, but I really don’t care on that. But I have a dragon boat company and I’m hoping I might even throw this out at YouTube, but I want to get into the corporate side. Again, the motivational speaking, I do a little bit of that, but the corporate retreats built around business, built around, again taking sport and putting it in to, and as you know, I’ve been immersed in all kinds of little businesses. I’ve had a graphic design company that housed all these freelancers. That was back with Julia and Lex back in the day. I ran the Florida training camp. A lot of people didn’t know that. That was my own business. That was for 13 years. I run that. I run an afterschool program that’s based on active living, right? That’s been 11 years now. And I started this dragon boat company a year ago, and now I just do it for our community and then ultimately like to branch off and travel with it a little bit and teach what we learned from sport and put it into business. So you can either get a hold of me narrows9dragons.com. That’s my dragon boat company and or life maps, lifemaps.cc, That’s my afterschool program. But either way, Coach_Marshall, I might let you in, I might let you join my 236 followers. But again, thanks a lot, Sash. We’ll be talking.

Sasha:

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The forgiveness application must be submitted by October 31, 2020 and can be filled out here: https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/136/3245-0407-SBA-Form-3508-PPP-Forgiveness-Application.pdf Instructions for the forgiveness application are here:...

The Grand Jury Subpoena

There’s an old legal maxim that the grand jury has a right to every man’s evidence. This Maxim remains true today and the means by which the grand jury retrieves that evidence is through grand jury subpoenas, for testimony, for documents, or for other evidence. What...

Top 5 “#FincenFiles” Tweets

Top 5 “#FincenFiles” Tweets

Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today's twitter search was about “#FincenFiles” Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @bennd77 Lulz . . . https://t.co/YtFLrZmryW— Nunya Bidness Wumbo Tacos 🌮 ⚡️🔑 (@bennd77) September 21, 2020...

Top 5 “Uni Airdrop” Tweets

Top 5 “Uni Airdrop” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Digital Investment Group Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today's twitter search was about “UNI Airdrop” Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @coinspotau We have just listed Uniswap (UNI)! Check it out...

#ICYMI #TON #DigitalInvestmentGroup

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #ICYMI #TON #DigitalInvestmentGroup Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! In case you missed it, here are last week’s trending hashtags. Telegram’s #TON Telegram founder Pavel Durov wrote in his public channel Tuesday that the...

Telegram’s #TON | Top 5 Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - TON Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is May 12, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Telegram’s #TON blockchain project. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @TheBlock__ ICYMI: Messenger app Telegram's...

Top 5 #Tesla Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Tesla Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! For May 9, 2020, the twitter search was about #Tesla. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @amsmadwoman I wanted a Tesla but now.... I am keeping track of which companies are showing...

Top 5 Tweets: Paul Tudor Jones Buys Bitcoin

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Paul Tudor Jones Buys Bitcoin Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is May 7, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Paul Tudor Jones buying Bitcoin. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @Melt_Dem i'm the annoying person...

Top 5 #BlockStreamSatellite Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #BlockStreamSatellite Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is May 5, 2020 and today's twitter search was about #BlockStreamSatellite. Here are the top 5 tweets!     Number 5, from @blockfolio What happens to bitcoin...

#ICYMI #Bitfinex #Bitcoin #NationalMall

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #ICYMI #Bitfinex #Bitcoin #NationalMall Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! In case you missed it, here are last week’s trending hashtags. #Bitfinex In response to customer demand, Bitfinex announced the launch of Bitfinex Pulse, a...

Top 5 #NationalMall Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #NationalMall Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is May 2, 2020 and today's twitter search was about National Mall. Here are the top 5 tweets!     Number 5, from @urqueerpeer Coronavirus social distancing is the...

Top 5 #Bitcoin Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Bitcoin Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 29, 2020 and today's twitter search was #Bitcoin. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @jeitoapp Before you dismiss #Bitcoin you should at least understand that for...

Top 5 #Bitfinex Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Bitfinex Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 28, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Bitfinex. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @NewsBlockToday Bitfinex aim to give their customers an advantage in...

#ICYMI #NovaScotia #Oil #WorldBookDay

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #ICYMI #NovaScotia #Oil #WorldBookDay Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! In case you missed it, here are last week’s trending hashtags. #NovaScotia Over the span of 12 hours, a gunman posing as a police officer went on a rampage...

Top 5 #WorldBookDay Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #WorldBookDay Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 23, 2020 and today's twitter search was #WorldBookDay. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @HPotterUniverse Today is #WorldBookDay! Number 4, from @NorbertElekes...

Bitbonics – Top 5 #Oil Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Oil Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 20, 2020 and today's twitter search was #Oil Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @alistairmilne Remember when Bitcoin was a risky investment? Good times. #Oil Number 4,...

Top 5 tweets about Nova Scotia, Canada

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Nova Scotia Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 19, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Nova Scotia, Canada. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @Franklin_Graham Pray for the families and loved ones of the...

Top 5 #StableCoin Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - stablecoin Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! For April 16, 2020, the twitter search was about #StableCoin. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @Viaab_com G20 Sets Ground Rules Ahead of Facebook's Libra Stablecoin Number 4,...

Top 5 “Toni Lane Casserly” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Toni Lane Casserly Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 15, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Toni Lane Casserly. Here are the top 5 tweets. Number 5, from @mikebutcher “The flame that burns twice as bright...

Top 5 “Federal Reserve” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Federal Reserve Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 14, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Federal Reserve. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @Bitcoin The Federal Reserve bails out Wall Street. The...

Top 5 “Satoshi Nakamoto” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Satoshi Nakamoto Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 13, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Satoshi Nakamoto. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @KALEELSERAJE After reading these references, I can 100%...

Top 5 #FaceMask Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Face Mask Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 9, 2020 and today's twitter search was about #FaceMask. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @nytimes Wearing a face mask takes some getting used to. So if you're...

Top 5 “Cryptopia” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Cryptopia Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 8, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Cryptopia. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @duganist Cryptopia sounds like something you wouldn't care about but...

Top 5 #Fungible Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Fungible Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 7, 2020 and today's twitter search was #Fungible. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @marvisirmed Fungible is the keyword if you want to analyse this week's grand...

Top 5 “Wisconsin Supreme Court” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Wisconsin Supreme Court Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 6, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Wisconsin Supreme Court. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @realDonaldTrump Highly respected Justice...

Top 5 “VOTER ID” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #VoterID Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 3, 2020 and today's twitter search was about Voter ID. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @ethanjsomers President trump just said mail in ballots were less secure...

Top 5 #unemployment Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #unemployment Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 2, 2020 and today's twitter search was #unemployment. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @kerrydougherty These unemployment numbers are harrowing. This cannot...

Top 5 “money printer go brr!” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Money Printer Go Brr Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is April 1, 2020 and today's twitter search was about “money printer go brr!” Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @tp_eater Imagining the flood of "money printer...

Top 5 #FilmYourHospital Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #FilmYourHospital Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is March 30, 2020 and today's twitter search was about #FilmYourHospital. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @medicalaxioms We don’t put on a show for your...

Top 5 “We belong together” Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - We belong together Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is March 29, 2020 and today's twitter search was about "we belong together". Here are the top 5 tweets. Number 5, from @abbracadabra_ my fave story about we belong...

Top 5 #LocationData Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Location Data Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is March 26, 2020 and today's twitter search was about "Location Data". Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @JuliaAngwin I’m hearing more and more cries for us to use...

Top 5 SEC Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - SEC Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is March 25, 2020 and today's twitter search was about SEC. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @AndoniOlta Here is a must read analysis of the latest ruling on SEC v. Telegram by...

Top 5 #ReopenAmerica Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #ReopenAmerica Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is March 24, 2020 and today's twitter search was about #ReopenAmerica. Here are the top 5 tweets! Number 5, from @roe_moore: If y’all #ReopenAmerica, you are gonna have to...

Top 5 #WhiteHousePressConference Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #whitehousepressconference Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is March 23, 2020 and today's twitter search was #WhiteHousePressConference. Here are the top 5 tweets!         Number 5, from @TexDem16:...

Top 5 #Platinum Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Platinum Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS! Today is March 21, 2020 and today's twitter search was #platinum. Here are the top five tweets!   Number 5, from @atraderdiary: #Platinum follows a similar trend as #Silver....

Top 5 #tether Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #tether These are the top five tweets about #tether on March 20, 2020. Number 5 @___CryptoNews said, Tether Stablecoin Launches on Its Seventh Blockchain: The world's largest stablecoin by market value is now live on the Bitcoin...

#Bitbonics #Top5 Richard Burr

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - Richard BurrToday's #bitbonics twitter search was about Richard Burr. Here are the #Top5 Number 5 @AshaRangappa_ said, “So, I know people can be savvy investors but Richard Burr sold lawn equipment before he became a senator in...

Top 5 #VirtualMeeting Tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #VirtualMeeting These are the top five tweets about #VirtualMeeting on March 18, 2020. Number 5 @MedStuCo said, We may not have had our usual Eboard meeting this week, but that didn’t stop us #virtualmeeting #medfieldps. Number 4...

Top 5 #ExponentialGrowth Tweets

Sasha Hodler Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS. Today is March 17, 2020 and today's hash tag twitter search was #ExponentialGrowth. Here are the top five tweets. Number 5, from @kennekai    “Around Feb12 there was a change in diagnosis classification which may have...

Top 5 #Ventilator tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #Ventilator Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS. Today is March 16, 2020 and today's twitter search was #Ventilator. Here are the top five tweets. Number 5 from @EndCoronavirus “We are expecting a shortage of mechanical breathing...

Top 5 #Inflation tweets

Sasha Hodler · #HODLCast Bitbonics - #inflation Welcome to the HODLCast BITBONICS. Today is March 14, 2020 and today's twitter search was #Inflation. Here are the top five tweets. Number 5 @XRPDrop said, “Less supplies and more money paying way for #inflation” Number...

Bitbonics #Top5 #Oil

Sasha Hodler · Bitbonics - 2 - March 11 #oilWelcome to the #HODLCast #Bitbonics - Today is March 11, 2020 and the #top5 tweets about #OIL were: Number 5 @incugneto said, My dad had a saying when oil would have a significant crisis or price shock of some kind that sums...

Transcript of Ep. 65 – Moon Math Win

Transcript of Ep. 65 – Moon Math Win

Episode 65:   Jared of MoonMath.WinThe Cathedral and the BazaarSasha Hodler · The HodlCast Episode 65 with Moonmath.winTranscript:  Sasha: All right. Hello everyone. Good morning. Today is February 6th, 2019. This is the HODL cast and we have a special...

HODLCast Weekly Newsletter

  HODLCast Weekly Newsletter  March 9, 2020 I hope everyone is doing well and staying healthy, this virus feels pretty scary. Some rumors suggest that China has actually cemented some of their quarantined population into their dwellings. Business seems to be...

The HODLCast Transcript – Leah Wald

The HODLCast Transcript – Leah Wald

Episode 104:   Leah WaldDiscussing Bitcoin's EcosystemSasha Hodler · Gator's Bitcoin Babes with Leah WaldTranscript:    This is the first transcript I’m putting out. While editing, I sometimes shortened or changed sentences. To hear what we said in real...

Documenting Bitcoin History: David Foox on HodlCast 102

Documenting Bitcoin History: David Foox on HodlCast 102

Episode 102:   David FooxDocumenting Bitcoin HistorySasha Hodler · Ep. 102 with David Foox, creator of the amazing Bit x Bit: In Bitcoin We Trust documentaryOn this installment of the podcast, Sasha Hodder catches up with David Foox, who is something of a...

Crypto Mom to the Rescue!

SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce Proposes 3-Year Safe Harbor Period for Crypto Tokens Coindesk reported today that SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce (“Crypto Mom”) has formally proposed a safe harbor to give token projects the ability to sell tokens, and a three-year...

John McAfee Goes Wild!

John McAfee Goes Wild!

Sasha Hodler · HodlCast Ep. 98 - John McAfee Discussing Congress Coin & the McAfee DexThere’s a lot of things you can call John McAfee, probably with good cause. One thing you can’t call him, though, is boring. Listen in on episode 98 of the HodlCast to get an...

Wallet Education & Innovation – Ballet

Wallet Education & Innovation – Ballet

Sasha Hodler · Hodlcast Ep. 101 with Tatiana Moroz and Bobby LeeHodlcast 101 with Tatiana Moroz & Bobby Lee In this new installment of the Hodlcast, Sasha gets in touch with Bobby Lee (no, not the one of Mad TV fame) to discuss his entry onto the wallet market...

The PredictionCast

Sasha Hodler · The PredictionCast - 2020!Written by Emoji Nakamoto & Artwork by Indelible Trade Ups, Downs, Forecasts And Laughs in this Year’s PredictionCast 2019 was an incredible year for Crypto. As the fog of bull market mania lifted, clear eyes and productive...

LLC, PBC, or NonProfit?

Many startups struggle deciding what type of business entity will be right for them. Here, we will identify the differences of each structure, the Limited Liability Company, Public Benefit Corporation, or 501(c)(3) Nonprofit Organization. All three structures offer...

Ready for your Title 31 Exam?

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is auditing companies who registered with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) as a Money Service Business (MSB) involved in the Bitcoin space – it’s called a Title 31 Exam. These exams were typically reserved for Indian...

International Breach of Contract

How to deal with a breach of contract when the breaching party lives in another country? I’ve seen this a number of times when an American company contracts with a foreign company for services in the cryptocurrency industry -- and then the foreign company fails to...

THE LONG ARM OF NEW YORK

THE LONG ARM OF NEW YORK

WILL BITFINEX AND TETHER PROVE THEY DID NOT DO BUSINESS IN NEW YORK? Today Bitfinex and Tether, replied to the OAG with two documents, an affidavit by their attorney, Stuart Hoegner, and a Reply Memo supporting their Motion to Dismiss. Bitfinex and Tether are...

SUMMARY of the May 9 FinCEN Guidance

SUMMARY of the May 9 FinCEN Guidance

“This guidance does not establish any new regulatory expectations or requirements.” https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/FinCEN%20Guidance%20CVC%20FINAL%20508.pdf TL;DR An MSB needs to register with FinCEN, (it’s free, you file Form 107), get an...

The Saga Continues… USAG v. Bitfinex/Tether

The Saga Continues… USAG v. Bitfinex/Tether

Sasha Hodler · HodlCast Ep. 81 A deep dive into Bitfinex with Amy Castor The saga continues — NYAG v. Bitfinex/Tether Quick Summary of the recent NYAG Decision and Order: IN THE MATTER OF THE INQUIRY BY LETITIA JAMES, ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, v....

SUMMARY of the May 9 FinCEN Guidance:

FinCEN's recent guidance begins with the caveat, “This guidance does not establish any new regulatory expectations or requirements.” https://www.fincen.gov/sites/default/files/2019-05/FinCEN%20Guidance%20CVC%20FINAL%20508.pdf TL;DR An MSB needs to register with...

The FinCEN Travel Rule

The FinCEN Travel Rule

I came across a new (to me) aspect of the Bank Secrecy Act recently — rule [31 CFR 103.33(g)] (the “Travel Rule”) which requires all financial institutions to pass on certain information to the next financial institution, in certain funds transmittals involving more...

Now You Can Blog from Everywhere!

We’ve made it quick and convenient for you to manage your blog from anywhere. In this blog post we’ll share the ways you can post to your Wix Blog. Blogging from Your Wix Blog Dashboard On the dashboard, you have everything you need to manage your blog in one place....

Design a Stunning Blog

When it comes to design, the Wix blog has everything you need to create beautiful posts that will grab your reader's attention. Check out our essential design features. Choose from 8 stunning layouts Your Wix Blog comes with 8 beautiful layouts. From your blog's...

Grow Your Blog Community

With Wix Blog, you’re not only sharing your voice with the world, you can also grow an active online community. That’s why the Wix blog comes with a built-in members area - so that readers can easily sign easily up to become members of your blog. What can members do?...

Bitcoin Hedge Fund Rules

Bitcoin Hedge Fund Rules

In today’s article, we will explore whether a Bitcoin hedge fund requires Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) or Commodities and Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) registration. What is a Bitcoin Hedge Fund? A Hedge Fund (or Private Fund) is when you put two LLCs...

Florida Money Transmission after the Espinoza Opinion

Florida Money Transmission after the Espinoza Opinion

On January 30, 2019, the State of Florida appealed forcing Mr. Espinoza to relive the trial for his 2013 and 2014 localbitcoins.com sales to undercover cops. See http://www.3dca.flcourts.org/Opinions/3D16-1860.pdf. The counts against Mr. Espinoza include: Count...

Bitcoin & the FBAR

Bitcoin & the FBAR

I had the opportunity to participate on a Legal Panel with David Silver at the Unconfiscatable, Bitcoin not Blockchain Conference put on by Tone Vays in Las Vegas. It was quite an honor to be part of it; the conference was hands down the best Bitcoin event I’ve...

The Bitmain Lawsuit

The Bitmain Lawsuit

Gor Gevorkyan v. Bitmain, Inc., Bitmain Technologies, Ltd. And DOES 1 to 10 A lawsuit was filed in the Northern District of California against Bitmain on 11/19/2018. See https://www.scribd.com/document/393971649/Bitmain-Class-Action In a brief summary, the Plaintiff...

SEC’s November 16 Comments

Ready or Not, Here They Come, You Can’t Hide, Gonna Find You and Make You Register & Refund First and foremost, today’s expansive press release was made with the following disclaimer: “This statement . . . is not a rule, regulation, or statement of the Securities...

Operation Choke Point

I was skimming the facebook page of a soon-to-be-podcast guest, Kingsley Edwards, and came across a disturbing article describing Operation Choke Point.[1] The name of the Operation struck me as odd and after a few lines of reading, I knew it was the problem facing...

Know Yo Customer

Know Yo Customer

This is not legal advice, just my opinion. I’ve met many brilliant entrepreneurs bravely navigating the alphabet soup of the American crypto regulatory environment. Today’s post is focused on the importance of knowing your customers (“KYC”) if you are a Money Service...

OCC Banking Charter for FinTECH

OCC Banking Charter for FinTECH

Is this The End of State-by-State Money Transmission Licensing? The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, U.S. Department of Treasury (“OCC”) came out with some big news on Tuesday, July 31, 2018. Now crypto (fintech) companies can apply for special-purposes...

Mr. Terpin v. AT&T

Mr. Terpin v. AT&T

Terpin v. AT&T Inc., AT&T Mobility, LLC, and DOES 1–25 One of the biggest news stories of the week was Michael Terpin (“Mr. Terpin”) suing AT&T after getting his sim-card hijacked. These types of hacks through the phone company are not a new phenomenon,...

Removing a member from an LLC

Removing a member from an LLC

Unfortunately, business relationships don’t always work out as expected, and you may need to remove your partners from their equity ownership / member position in your LLC. Hopefully this process is clearly defined in your Operating Agreement. If not, it can quickly...

Giving Tokens the Hammer

Giving Tokens the Hammer

The 2009 invention of Bitcoin has forever changed financial technology. Through the rise of economic innovation, Cryptocurrency makes it possible for any person or company to create a coin or token linked to their brand—and to give it a plethora of functionality. Some...

CFTC Employees are now allowed to Trade Crypto

CFTC Employees are now allowed to Trade Crypto

Upon first seeing this headline, my thoughts were, “uh oh, things are going to get a lot less productive over at the CFTC!” I remember my first few months of trading, it can be highly addictive!  The important thing here is that we got another layer of clarity to...

Bitcoin & Estate Planning

Bitcoin & Estate Planning

Bitcoin & Estate Planning Agenda: 1. Get a will 2. Make a tax plan 3. Dig some holes in your backyard (or find an executor you trust) Disclaimer – This is not legal or investment advice. T'is the season to be... morbid. Have you thought about what would happen to...

Bitcoin & Taxes

Bitcoin & Taxes

After the recent ruling in the case with Coinbase, Bitcoin Tax has been a hot topic, and I wanted to try my hand at navigating it. This is not legal or tax advice.Only 800-900 Americans reported any bitcoin tax related events between 2013-2015, even-though there were...

What is Bitcoin

What is Bitcoin

What is Bitcoin? Over the past few weeks, as the Bitcoin price has soared, lots of people have been reaching out to ask me, "What is Bitcoin?" It prompted me to start this blog- and while I am a licensed attorney in Florida - I want to preface that this is not legal...

Celebrity Backed ICOs

Celebrity Backed ICOs

Anyone who endorses ICOs or any kind of Cryptocurrency should be careful not to overstep the Securities Laws and potentially be prosecuted for a Pump and Dump scheme. After the recent Senate Hearing on Feb 9, 2018, Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”) Chairman...

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